sweet_nothing

The day has come when game consoles are no longer viewed as toy's but forms of entertainment systems the same as a DVD player,stereo, TV or whatever and to write it off as a simple toy is moronic. How is making a violent game for the wii innovative? I have more violent games on my 360 then Mario has gold stars and just as many family oriented games too. And there is no contradiction if you're referring to Nintendo's amazingly boring games series because that is boring, they could atleast have to decency to pump some fresh juice in that dead horse like Capcom did with RE4. Also you know I wasn't referring to fantasy games because no shit that isn't possible but it is possible to go out once in awhile and play some real sports. And Master Chief is actually viewed as a modern gaming icon, sorry you didn't get that memo. =\

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boo boo

This is why I can't argue with people like you. You make it all about everything else. The multimedia, the graphics, the violence, the online (because none of you can find actual friends to play with at home), the "maturity".

All but the actual gameplay. And when you get down to it, Super Mario Galaxy was a fun, exciting and fresh idea. Something I rarely if ever, see Microsoft or Sony come up with, they would be nothing without their third parties, really.

Halo, I'll never get the hype, it's Paintball: The Video Game, that's all it is, it was boring and generic then, and it's boring and generic now.

Oh, and speaking of "maturity", I never got what was so "mature" about games where you just shoot people or blow up fire trucks with rocket launchers. The imagination that made older games so great is gone.

Entertainment system? Enough of the euphemisms already. You're playing games whose core gameplay just consists of shooting a lot of people, it's hardly any different than when you played with your action figures, it's the same thing.

So please. Let's not fool ourselves, there's nothing mature about playing video games all day. Let's accept it for what it is.

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sweet_nothing

Yeh exactly I play with strangers because I can't just add people I actually know. Play at home? On split screen? HAHAHAHAHA wow, you can't be serious about that. Even if I did play with people I don't know which I very rarely do what's wrong with that it's called being sociable meeting new people can be fun, but I think the word 'new' is frightening to you. And sure you can talk about third party support but say that again when your company's gaming branch doesn't have 20 years time to create exclusive titles and characters. Paintball the video game? I'm not even able to respond to something so absurd. 'it's hardly any different than when you played with your action figures, it's the same thing.' That's like saying looking at the Mona Lisa and looking at the real person are the same, they're not. Also if you write mature games off as simple shooting games you haven played enough, and video games are a legitimate form of entertainment. But I think it comes down to you being into the more old gaming styles and me being more modern, I can't see us coming to an agreement.

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Sparky

I agree most shooters, especially halo, are pretty boring.

But games like Heavy Rain are showing that games do have the potential to be mature with legitimate storytelling that almost rivals television/film.

Also online play is more then just an escape for people who have "no real friends to play with"(thats like saying music banter is a place for people who have no friends to discuss music with). It means level-sharing in little big planet, downloading music from the rock band store, or down loadable levels or even a continuation to the single player game.

LoathsomePete

I'll admit I am a little upset that Heavy Rain is a PS3 exclusive because I remember playing Indigo Prophecy (or Fahrenheit) when it came out on the PS2 and thinking "wow, I wish more games did this". I'm not sure how feasible drama is for a video game though, at least for a mass market. The game was little more than "Move left analogue stick and do button matching sequences". Now I can say that I really enjoyed Indigo Prophecy, even after the story went all loopy and I would like to see more games like it. I think the biggest factor for this is that I grew up on PC gaming which included the LucasArts adventure games. However those games started to die out when the technology started to improve. I'm all with you though, I'd like to see more Drama based games that focus more on story telling than gimmicky motion sensoring and the slaughtering of hundreds of people, but I know that it'll never really take off because it's not what the mass of people want unfortunately.

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I think the increase of "user made" material is a double edged sword. I'm going to paraphrase Ben "Yahtzee" Crowshaw but user made material really only works maybe 1/10th of the time. Especially for platform gaming, you're going to get Mario die hards who do their best to recreate levels from previous games and all you're left with is sifting through the crap that gets put out there. Maybe I don't want to play levels created by ametuers, maybe I want to play something that an actual level designer created. This whole "Let the player create the story" can really be compared to the rise of Reality TV, in which TV executives learned they could save a lot of money by following the daily going ons of "real people" rather than pay writers to create something that's actually worth watching. My biggest concern is that this is what the video game industry will slowly start to turn into. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of well created levels from fans, but those are few and far between.

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djchameleon

didn't you already decide a few pages back that you were getting a 360?

Alfred

But seeing as that is the wrong decision...

Anyways, sweet_nothing... there's no golden rule that says you have to play all the Wii Sports/Wii Play stuff. There's plenty of legitimate hardcore titles on the console that will keep you playing for hours. And you don't wave your fists around either. When I play SMG I sit on the couch, with the controllers in my lap and flick the remote every once in a while to attack a goomba. FPS games work the same way.

People need to get over the fact that blood and gore and cussing and some big epic story are not the necessary ingredients for a hardcore triple A title. Super Mario Galaxy is just as friggin' hardcore as Halo 3 and there's not one good reason why it isn't.

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Sparky

cuz bro i cnat liek t-bag n00bz in mario galaxy

Arya Stark

Eh. I looked at the choices again. =P

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Alfred

The PS3 is a better investment. Just saying.

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