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Old 11-03-2009, 03:19 AM   #21 (permalink)
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1. Gears of War 2
Better than the original. Although I have quit playing the game recently because it screwed me over (long story) I have nothing but good things to say about it. Such a fun, gory game.

2. 007 Goldeneye
A breakthrough in shooters and by far the best game made for the 5th generation, Goldeneye for the 64 was and still is today considered the best first person shooter of all time.

3. Super Mario Bros. 3
Seriously GOAT. Nuff said.

4. GTA IV
The reason it is above GTA 3 is for one reason: The Multiplayer. Never have I had so much fun pissing off Americans while running around as a zombie in yellow underwear.

5. GTA 3
Such a huge impact. Turned Grand Theft Auto into more than just controversy. Got more clones than Dolly the Sheep.

6. Guitar Hero Metallica
I had a LOT of fun with this game. The best setlist I have ever seen in a music rhythm game. Also made me for madder in love with Tallica.

7. Tetris
How is this game not legendary? Indescribably addictive and pretty much the best thing Russia has ever done.

8. Zelda: The Ocarina of Time
I remember playing this game a few years ago. I had heard it was long, then when I played it I believed the talk. It was so long and intricate. It had taken me two weeks to finish it. And then when I finished it I realised I had only gotten half way. Monster game.

9. GTA: San Andreas
Just like the above game. An immensely huge game with so many customizational things and a storyline that's deepness is only dethroned by GTA IV.

10. Brutal Legend
This is where my new-games bias really shows it's true colours. Call me crazy for loving it but GODDAMNIT is this game good. Especially for metalheads like me who play games either for gore or humor. This game has both!
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Old 11-03-2009, 03:43 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Being oldschool in everything doesn't always make complete sense, though. It means you put more stock in sentinemtal value than anything. You can admit that a game like super metroid is much better than the original for the nes, but still the old one makes the list while the snes version does not (well, thinking hypothetically - I know it's not on anyone's list). Then what you're rating is your own feelings regarding the game rather than the game itself. Either that, or it's a simple matter of having a wish to be as old school as you can.
That's not true at all, if I think a game is truly better, I'll say it, even if the game it's better than is something I'm sentimentally attached to. I already said Super Metroid is better than Metroid.

But to say the only reason people prefer the older games is because of nostalgia is an unfair generalization, some people prefer the original Metroid just because it's a lot more challenging.

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Maybe that's not critique worthy, it's a list of your 10 favourites and that implies some sentimental attachments. My own list has quite a bit of nostalgia in it. I'd say though, if your whole list is games that came out before 1996, you've been missing out as a gamer.
Well, only two games from this decade were on my list and they were both Wii games so you got me there I guess.

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Games are getting better, I think. There are many brilliant titles and franchises in the market these days, but someone who puts more stock in sentimentality than quality will be too hard to please.
C'mon, that is very unfair, I admit I'm rather biased towards older games, but to say I don't rate games on their quality just isn't true, I've played my share of horrible old games and no I don't spare them any criticism just because they're old.

That was a sincere list of my favorite games, those were the games that most wowed me when I first played them and the games I still come back to the most often.

There were other games I could have added to the list that would have made it seem a little less Nintendo biased, like San Andreas and Homeworld. But just consider those my number 11 and 12 spots, respectively.

I won't deny that I'm biased towards older games but that's not merely out of sentiment. I personally think a lot of older games are just better, I don't know why that's any more far fetched than say a movie buff who still thinks older movies were better, or someone who still thinks the best era in music was the 60s and 70s.

Sure the industry's evolution into 3D brought about new genres like first person shooters (which I'm not a terribly big fan of) but I think 2D just works better for all the older genres. I personally don't think there's been that many big innovations in gameplay styles since the 64 bit era. The most popular PC games are still RTS games which are usually from an isometric persective, they're the kinda games even a 32 bit system could replicate, sure the graphics wouldn't be anywhere near as good, but all the gameplay related content could be crammed in there somehow.

There was a time when better graphics meant a greater opportunity for more innovative gameplay, new perspectives, better physics and so on. But now I think better graphics only mean one thing, and that's better graphics, that just isn't enough to impress me anymore.

As for sentimental attachment, personally I was much more sentimentally attached to OOT than LTTP, but I now acknowledge LTTP to be a better game not because it's older, but just because I consider it a flawless game, while OOT has at least one annoying flaw and that's wrestling the camera which can be a real hassle during boss battles, but that's a criticism I have with 3D games in general (the exceptions being rail sooters and games with an isometric view), because of that one inherent issue with every truly 3D game I've ever played, I don't think a 3D game can ever be completely flawless, like some 2D games can.

That's just my two cents. Have fun bickering at me.
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Old 11-03-2009, 03:53 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Well, there's no point in bickering about taste. I have a friend which is quite similar, he still plays his Nintendo and as a gamer, he's stuck in nostalgia land. I think of him as an ex-gamer. If you've completed A Link to the Past 20 times, isn't it time to move on?

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while OOT has at least one annoying flaw and that's wrestling the camera which can be a real hassle during boss battles, but that's a criticism I have with 3D games in general, because of that one inherent issue with every 3D game I've ever played, I don't think a 3D game can ever truly be flawless.

That's just my two cents. Have fun bickering at me.
I'd like to challenge this statement though. You have Street Fighter II on your list. Well, I've played a helluva lot of SFII in my time and recently I tried SFIV. It doesn't have an annoying camera angle problem so that can't always be a factor in 3D. In fact, aside from it's predecessor being a classic, I'd say IV it's better than II.
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Old 11-03-2009, 03:59 AM   #24 (permalink)
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When I mean 3D I mean games with actual 3D perspectives, while SF IV boasts 3D graphics it's from a 2D perspective, so of course it dosen't have any camera problems.

And besides, they already tried a REAL 3D Street Fighter.



Didn't work out so well.
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:18 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I agree that 3D games had some teething troubles a long time ago, but they've been ironed out. For example gameplay was often not so good and most of them looked like **** at first. Now they look good and offer gameplay which is simply just not possible in 2D games. Games like Crysis, GTA IV or Fallout 3 are good examples.

Of course I like 2D too but it sorta depends on what kind of game it is. Adventure games I prefer in 2D while racing games I prefer in 3D.
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Old 11-03-2009, 05:12 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Hm... Kinda hard to select 10 favorite games. Here is a list of 10 games that must have been greatest at the time I played them... In no particular order. And more than 10 since I listed series and expansions together as one game.
1. Baldur's Gate (1,2 + expansions)
2. Monkey Island series
3. Fallout 1 & 2
4. Wolfenstein 3D
5. Dune 2
6. Command and Conquer
7. Vikings
8. Zeliard
9. Need for Speed 1
10. Jagged Alliance 2
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4. Wolfenstein 3D
Why not Doom? At least they were entertaining Wolfenstein 3D was eventually mostly repetitive and boring I thought. It was a first rather than a good in my opinion.

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5. Dune 2
This one I'd argue is also more first than good. It was fun back in the day, but nowadays you can't play it without pulling hairs out of your head. You can only control one unit at a time. I guess many here haven't played dune 2, but perhaps people will be able to imagine in an C&C style RTS how horrifyingly tedious this is .. honestly, even as a first, the devs could've fixed that.

No mean to rip on your list, but - you know, just trying to discuss

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Oh, and thanks for supporting the Monkey Islands .. You like the first two?
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1. Elder Scrolls: Morrowind - Hands down the best game I've ever played. There were so many quests, so many methods of playing, a huge world to explore, and Morrowing didn't hold your hand like Oblivion did. You had to figure out where to go and how to get there on your own for the most part.

2. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - The best 2d game ever in my opinion. Leveling up until your character was a badass was too much fun. And you couldn't beat the wow factor the first time you found out the castle flipped upside down and you had to explore 200% to say you really mastered it.

3. Call of Duty 4 Modern Warefare - The best online multiplayer game ever if you played with a group of friends. So much strategy and action, you just couldn't beat it. The fact that I managed to get all of the golden guns might be one of my favorite gaming triumphs ever.

4. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - I loved how people compained about the water temple being hard. If you have the blue tunic it's a breeze.

5. Super Mario Brothers 3 - No explanation necessary.

6. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - Seems a lot of you guys prefer 3 but for me the level designs in 2 were so much better. Though I'll give the nod to 3 when it comes to the rediculous boss fight at the end when you have all the emeralds.

7. Mortal Kombat Trilogy - The best fighting game ever. A ton of characters. A ton of strategies. And me beating fools down with Kabal and Smoke.

8. Halo: Combat Evolved - Set a new standard for what you can consider a great FPS.

9. Half-Life: Portal - The best 3d puzzle game I've ever played. Such a brilliant concept, I'm begging and praying for a sequel.

10. Madden 2010 - This is really a nod to the whole Madden series but 2010 captured the spark that made Madden the great game it was before nextgen systems. If you're a football fan nothing beats an intense game of Madden against one of your buddies. Many a broken controllers because of this series.
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1. Elder Scrolls: Morrowind - Hands down the best game I've ever played. There were so many quests, so many methods of playing, a huge world to explore, and Morrowing didn't hold your hand like Oblivion did. You had to figure out where to go and how to get there on your own for the most part.
Wow. I can't believe I forgot to put this in my list. I think I've spent more time playing Morrowind than any other single player game. Oblivion had a huge graphics overhaul, but sadly the game was very different in a bad way. There were only really what... 8 towns in Oblivion I think? And I honestly didn't mind things like arrows not always hitting, I thought it added a bit more of an element of challenge to the game.
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Why not Doom? At least they were entertaining Wolfenstein 3D was eventually mostly repetitive and boring I thought. It was a first rather than a good in my opinion.
Oh hey man, don'tchoo be ditching Wolfenstein, that game was badass.

But yeah, Doom IS better, but different strokes I guess.

My favorite first person shooter is still Goldeneye which I also considered for my top 10. Doom, Quake, Turok and Duke Nukem all have a special place in my heart as well.

I wish I played Deus Ex and System Shock, those games look freaking awesome. Those look like games that did something I feel very few FPSs nowadays do and that's actually trying to evolve the genre further.

Which to me dosen't just mean better physics, AI and more weapons.

And no, I haven't played Half Life 2, Team Fortress 2 OR Portal.

Once I get a PC that dosen't suck I'm definitely getting The Orange Box.
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