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boo boo 11-02-2009 08:28 AM

MB's 100 Greatest Video Games of All Time: How YOU Can Vote!
 
Ok, I'm known for being an obsessive listmaker. But here's an idea I have.

I think MB should have an official video games list, but instead of making it myself, I think it would be a great idea to make a group effort out of it. And here's how it will be done.

Pretty simple really. Each member makes a list of their top 10 favorite games of all time. And the rules are as follows.

1. It HAS to be a top 10, nothing more nothing less.
2. They have to be ranked in order.
3. Some games have similar or indentical titles to others, in these cases it's required that you be specific about which version you're talking about.
4. It's only acceptable to have two games sharing one position if they are brother and sister games, for example the Pokemon games, or the Zelda Oracle games.
5. Each member can only submit one list obviously, but they can change their lists if they see fit.
6. There is no restriction on how many games from a certain series or genre you can add to your list, make it however you see fit.
7. Add a sum up of why each game is among your favorites. They can be just minor sum ups or long and detailed descriptions of why each game means so much to you.

The reason I want you to rank the games in order is because they will become part of a point system to determine how high a game will end up on the official list. #1 is worth ten points, #2 is worth nine and so on. The amount of points by each member and the total of votes will determine a games placing in the list, whichever game gets the most rankings as #1 will become MB's official choice for greatest video game ever made.

The voting will continue until a top 100 list is completed. There may be tie breakers along the way for those that have the same amount of talied points. If there are not enough votes to help complete the list, I will ask every member who has already submitted a top 10 to expand their lists to a top 20, the points will be counted and these will be added to the list.

When the list is completed I will have a mod close this thread, and then start a thread with the final results.

boo boo 11-02-2009 08:30 AM

Anyway. Here's mine to start things off.

1. Super Mario Bros 3: Very rarely do games live up to their massive hype, but this one did, in fact this game was so huge that they made a whole movie (The Wizard) that devoted it's entire climax to advertising this game, and rest assured that was the only reason people went to see it. It took the formula of the original SMB but not only did it upgrade it in every single way, it added tons of variety and content in it's challenges, level design and awesome power ups, that til this day none of the Mario games feel as "complete" as Super Mario Bros 3. The levels may be short, but they offer so much satisfaction in such a short amount of time, Super Mario Bros 3 is the video game equivalent of multiple orgasms, everyone should play this game right now, and then have a cigarette afterwards. Then we may finally achieve world peace.

2. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past: I might get killed for thinking this, but I do in fact consider LTTP to be slightly better than OOT. Almost every game has a few flaws, but LTTP probably comes the closest to having none whatsoever. While the original gave the blueprints for exploring a massive free roam environment, LTTP perfected it, with more dungeons, a greater variety of obstacles, cool new items like the Hookshot, more sidequests, a huge cast of NPCs and instead of one massive, wonderfully detailed overworld, you had two. SWEET. Great graphics, beautiful music and a cool backstory just add to the emmersive effect of what is easly the best SNES game ever.

3. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: While this isn't on the top of my list, it will certainly make the top of many lists to come and I can't argue against that, as great as the other 3D Zelda games are, none of them have made as huge of a leap as OOT did, nobody expected a Zelda that wasn't a 2D overhead to work, but Nintendo made it happen. Zelda kept all the tried and true classic elements of the Zelda series but took them into 3 dimensions. Everything about this game captivated me. The revolutionary graphics, a compelling story with a huge cast of memorable characters and one of the greatest video game soundtracks of all time. I gotta tell ya, exploring the massive hyrule field for the first time, and watching the sun set was truly unlike anything I have ever seen before, never before did a game feel so amazingly real and so incredibly vast in it's possibilities. Even after you beat it, there's still tons of stuff that's just waiting to be explored, and like every Zelda before and after, you'll find some new surprises even after years and years of playing it.

4. Super Smash Bros Brawl: OMFG THIS GAME IS A TRAVESTY LOL THIS GAME IS FOR N00BS WITH NO SKILLZ STICK WITH MELEE. Yeah, I've heard it all before, and you know what? F*ck Melee, looking back on it that game was a total failure, Sakurai never wanted Super Smash Bros to be a tourney game or even a competitive fighting game, it was meant to be a fighting game for people who don't even have to like fighting games to enjoy it, and that was exactly what the original SSB achieved, when Melee (the most overrated competitive fighting game of all time) became a staple among tourney tards people seemed to have forgotten what made the series unique from other fighting games, I can't blame Sakurai for wanting to bring the series back to it's roots, and that's exactly what he did here. It felt much more like the original, but at the same time added tons of awesome new content like a stage builder, new items like final smashes and many more new characters to choose from, everyone from underdogs like Pit and Captain Olimar to third party superstars like Sonic and Solid Snake. The stages are fantastic too, you'll find yourself visiting one famous Nintendo universe to the next. Never has a game offered so much nostalgia overload and complete random chaos like this game has, and that in my eyes is the beauty of the Smash series, not some boring ass matches on Final Destination where Captain Falcon and Shiek do nothing but wavedash and chain grab for 5 minutes.

5. Sonic 3 & Knuckles: For those stupid assh*les who say Sonic 2 was the last good Sonic game, WHAT THE F*CK IS WRONG WITH YOU? Hell, I thought the Adventure and Advance games were fantastic and very worthy additions to the franchise, yeah, I said it. sue me. So much for that Sonic hasn't had a good game since Sonic 2 theory, eh? But one thing that can't be denied, the Genesis games will always be on top, and IMO this is Sonic's finest game to date. This game took all the best elements of the last three 16 bit games and put them into a big blender, as well as adding some other things. This was the largest Sonic game yet, so large that it took two cartridges with a lock on feature to contain it. Some purist idiots seem to hate this game for all the same reasons I consider it the best, the levels were bigger and there were more of them, there were more multiple paths and more exploration involved, more varied levels each with their own unique challenges, a funky Michael Jackson inspired soundtrack and 3 different characters (Sonic, Tails and Knuckles) with their own unique abilities that not only altered the difficulty level but allowed you to explore different areas and take different routes than before, making this feel like 3 games in one. This truly was the most complete Sonic game of it's time and as a matter of fact, it still is.

6. Star Fox 64: My favorite shoot em up of all time. I've replayed this game more than any other game, ever. Everything about this game clicks, incredibly varied level design that ranges from being on rails to free roam environments, the then revolutionary use of force feedback with Nintendo's handy Rumble Pak add on, a multiple route system that added much of the replay value because there were so many different ways to play the game and some of the most quoted video game dialogue of all time. While it annoyed some people I always loved how your teammates talked to you in game, it was like being immersed into an interactive movie, and while it's something games take for granted today, it was something totally groundbreaking at the time. While the game is easy enough for pretty much anyone to beat on a first playthrough, the real challenge is getting a high score in every level, which then unlocks a hard mode in which you can complete the task once again. If there's any game that is truly worthy of the title "Galaga 3D" it's this gem.

7. Street Fighter II: Can you name another game that is so incredibly popular that it has spawned more countless rereleases, ports and remakes than probably any other game in history? Well it's that popular for a reason, it's the quintessential fighting game, it wasn't the first, but it perfected the formula. A large cast of classic, unique and well balanced characters, incredibly tight controls and fast paced action throughout. There's a large amount of debate over which version is the definitive one. But for my money it's Super Street Fighter II Turbo. Why? You ask? Is it because of the better graphics and sound? The expanded cast of playable characters? The introduction of super combos? A new scoring system that kept track of combos and other accomplishments? The adjustable play speed? The tournament battle mode? Well, it's really just because I like looking at Cammy's victory poses, but whatever, this game rules.

8. NBA Jam: I gotta confess, I'm not a fan of sports games... well, at least the ones that strive for realism, which is why I consider this the best Basketball game ever made, as it throws any hint of realism completely out the window. You want to push your opponent without getting disqualified? Go right ahead. You want to do a 360 mid air as your basketball catches fire? Go ahead and do that too. Why it may not seem like much in the aesthetics department, it's the super smooth controls, variety of special moves, the awesome announcer (BOOM SHAKALAKA) and the incredible multiplayer that makes this a classic.

9. Super Mario Galaxy: Some say the planet hopping and Wiimote controls are just lame gimmicks, some say this is just a tired rehash of Super Mario 64 with overly linear level design, I say that this game is a great example of how to keep a 25 year old franchise fresh and exciting. Granted the replay value isn't incredibly high when compared to other Mario adventures. But no Mario game ever WOWED me on it's first playthrough like this game has. Mario's universe feels so massive and jumping from one planet to the next always makes me feel tingly inside. I don't think I've ever seen a 3D platformer with such creative level design and the Wiimote truly opens up a new interactive experience for games like this, and for a Mario game, it has a surprisingly cinematic feel, with the most epic soundtrack in Mario history and some mind blowing visuals, whenever people say the Wii has sh*tty graphics, I like to rub this game in their face.

10. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time: This is a perfect example of how a game can do a popular license justice. It's the best beat em up of all time. In fact as soon as I finish writing this up I'm gonna play it, it's one of those games I can't even think about without wanting to play it, that's how good it is. Sure there's more challenging beat em ups out there if you want something more hardcore, but it's not just the novelty of it being The Turtles that makes this a beloved classic, nobody knows beat em ups better than Konami, and this game does everything right. But the presentation that makes the game feel like an interactive version of the classic cartoon is what seals the deal if you're a TMNT fan like yours truly, if you have an SNES and a friend to play with, there's no excuse not to pick this one up.

wickedlk 11-02-2009 09:33 AM

1. Grand Theft Auto III
A genre defining moment that just blew the industry apart. I love the game and series, from the mindless violence to pass quiet moments to the often comical story lines. Can't wait for the next installment :D

2. Super Mario Kart (SNES)
Amazing fun and the daddy of the genre. Even better as a multiplayer despite the fact that spinning off on the last lap at rainbow road is one of the most frustrating things known to man.

3. Goldeneye 007
Amazing playability that left a legacy for all that followed. Used to love pissing my mates off with remote mines in the facility (I knew all the spawn points lol) and who can forget the 'No Oddjob' rule? :rofl:

4. Championship Manager 2
The greatest management sim of them all! Wonderfully addictive and whoever says they haven't messed with the database of one of it's incarnations is a liar. Who can forget those wonder kids too? Gifton Noel-Williams anyone?

5. Pro Evolution Soccer 4 or 5
Brought football simulations to the next level and left EA's Fifa series on it's knees for many a season. Actually spent a remarkable amount of my time playing Pro over the years but it was all worth it :)

6. Wii Sports
Possibly the first truly 'family' game and it's importance cannot be underestimated in getting gamers active (first real steps towards vr). Plus who can forget those hilarious images of grand parents going hell for leather in the boxing lol

7. Formula One Championship Edition
Visually stunning, ridiculously realistic and probably the main reason why us F1 fans haven't seen a game for a while :( How do you top this game? Not sure that you can. Great online fun too even after like 3 years after release, the sign of a great game.

8. World of Warcraft
Can't have a top ten list of games without this bad boy in there. Remarkably addictive and challenging, brought MMOs into the mainstream and no collection is complete without at least one level 80.

9. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
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Originally posted by boo boo

I might get killed for thinking this, but I do in fact consider LTTP to be slightly better than OOT. Almost every game has a few flaws, but LTTP probably comes to closest to having none whatsoever. While the original gave the blueprints for exploring a massive free roam environment, LTTP perfected it, with more dungeons, a greater variety of obstacles, cool new items like the Hookshot, more sidequests, a huge cast of NPCs and instead of one massive, wonderfully detailed overworld, you had two. SWEEEEEEEEEET. Great graphics, music and a cool backstory just add to the emmersive effect of what is easly the best SNES game ever
Can't disagree with that. Awesome fun!

10. Star Wars Battlefront 2
I don't know why but this game ticks boxes for me. Fun but not too serious, the best players still shine but a noob can still pick up, play and cheekily kill the best. Looking forward to the ridiculous battles of the new installment next year!

LoathsomePete 11-02-2009 10:30 AM

01. Half-Life

For the longest while I was endless addicted to First-Person-Shooters like Duke Nukem, Doom, Shadow Warrior, and Redneck Rampage which all were fun in their own little ways but really failed to tell a story. In 1998 I was starting to get into the Adventure Game genre which placed story in the drivers seat while gameplay took the passengers seat. It was my mum that actually was interested in Half-Life because of the platforming/ puzzle element and as I watched her mow down wave after wave of Marines I wanted to have a go at it. I remember coming home from school and starting my own game and just being totally enthralled by the opening sequence, also trying to get use to the control scheme because it was the first one that really incorporated the WASD and mouse controls. It was before long that I was hopeless addicted to the action, the mystery, the puzzles, and the length.

02. Grim Fandango

I never played the first two Monkey Island games, but I did really enjoy The Curse of Monkey Island, however it was Grim Fandango that really sold me on the whole Adventure Genre. The puzzles were incredibly challenging in this game, but the fact that I couldn't die or get to an area that you couldn't get beyond because you forgot to pick up some item in a previous area that was now off limits. The game features LucasArts incredibly funny and witty humor, characters that all feel important, and some of the best voice acting I had ever heard in a game. Grim Fandango is one of those games that I can play over and over again, never getting dull or boring, even if I know how to solve all the puzzles and know what's going to happen next, it just presents itself in such a way that that is what you're playing it for, the presentation.

03. The Pandora Directive

In 1996 my mum and I played Under A Killing Moon which was the 3rd game in the Tex Murphy series. We did what we normally did with games, solve the first level together so we both get a feel of what the rest of the game will be like, then go our separate ways and play our own game files. I remember that it took us almost a week to figure out exactly what we were doing in the game and how to go about it and that's what sold me on the game. Later in 1997 we found out that The Pandora Directive was released and went out to the mall just before closing so we could get it. The game was vastly improved compared to Under a Killing Moon, but it was also a lot more challenging. It was also one of the games that really truly terrified me. For the longest while I wanted to be a Private Eye because of this game.

04. Age of Empires

It's hard for me to choose between this game and Starcraft because they were pretty much the only Real-Time Strategy games I played until 2003 when Warcraft III came out. While my mum was more into the First-Person Shooter and puzzle games, it was my dad that loved the Real-Time Strategy games. He did his best to teach me how to manage units (something which I always laughed at) but I never really took well to it because I would always feel bad when they died, mostly because of my time playing FPS' where you yourself were in the action and not just controlling the outcome. In all truth, the only thing that puts Age of Empires over Stracraft is the cheat where you can get a pink lowrider car that shoots rockets. Nothing is more cathartic then watching some overpowered piece of modern technology blast cavemen to pieces.

05. Starcraft

More or less like with Age of Empires, except my dad never really took to it the same way he took to Age of Empires. It's because of this that I started playing online which was fun, but because of the sympathy I felt to all my fallen soldiers I was never very good at it. Still the game is a lot of fun and is one of the most respected RTS' on the planet.

06. Legend of Zelda: Orcarina of Time

Pretty much one of the only reasons to have owned a Nintendo 64. For myself and a lot of other gamers it was one of the first real true adventures in full 3D. It had an incredibly engrossing story and a lot of fun shit to do in the mean time.

07. WWF: No Mercy

Pretty much the best wrestling game ever made. I really liked their way of being able to use special moves and their presentation was really well done. Not only that but their create-a-wrestler left you with a number of new wrestlers to create. Not only that, but they included a lot of moves from some of the wrestlers who were left off the roster so you could create them if you were so inclined. This game offered a lot of fun for my friend and I over the summer of 2000 and 2001. A lot of people hold the Smackdown games in high regards but after playing Shut Your Mouth (my first PS2 game) I was incredibly let down. Sure the graphics were a lot better, but the story was incredibly short and it was such a departure from No Mercy that it really took awhile to get use to it. Wrestling games in general are really only for fans, but WWF No Mercy was a really fun way for you and your friends to beat the crap out of each other.

08. Battlefield 1942

Pretty much the only online game I'll willingly play anymore. It did so much right for it's time when games like Counter-Strike and Team Fortress 2 were dominating the online market. What I think a lot of people loved about BF1942 was the large maps that encouraged exploration. Also the fact that you could pilot a plane while your friend took the gun turret was absolutely amazing for the time. I remember the first time I ever played BF1942 at an Internet Cafe on a LAN server with my jaw dropped in awe at the fact that my friend next to me was driving a Jeep and I was riding shotgun. This game felt like there was a lot more strategy involved rather than just random bunny hops and mastering an overpowered/ overcompensating rifle. Not only that but the mods that came out for this game were a lot of fun as well. I have yet to play Battlefield 2, Battlefield 1943, or Battlefield: Bad Company, or Battlefiled 2142 however I will eventually get to all of them.

09. Grand Theft Auto III

Yep... pretty much the game that inspired the largest amount of clones since Doom came out. It was truly a revolutionary came at it's time that is still widely regarded as one of the best games of all time. Sure parts of the game were overhyped but this was pretty much one of the first times you could play as the bad guy, causing as much death and destruction as you could. The game featured some incredibly solid voice acting, fun side missions, hilarious commercials, and most importantly the freedom to do what you want at your own convenience. While I think GTA4 is still the best of the series, this is the one that really sparked a whole new generation of thinking, and while that does entail a lot of shit games you can't be mad at GTAIII for that.

10. Dues Ex

This was my first look at RPG's that didn't involve turn-based combat. I wasn't aware that such a thing even existed. I had been playing the first two Pokemon for about two years by the time Dues Ex came out and I had seen friends play Final Fantasy VII a few years earlier on their Playstations, but I was always a little turned off by turn-based combat. Pokemon was an exception because of the cartoon that portrayed it that way so I just learned to accept it, but I never really could get into it. Well in 2000 Dues Ex came out and completely changed my idea of what an RPG entails. It took me awhile to get use to the points system and steep difficulty, but after I died about 20 times on the first level I learned that I couldn't play this game the same way I would play Half-Life. The story was also incredibly engrossing, featuring conspiracy theories galore and at that time I was huge into The X-Files so the two went hand-in-hand quite well.


Well there you have it. While I took a more personal approach to my choices, I feel that a lot of people had similar experiences and thus I am speaking for a larger majority.

right-track 11-02-2009 11:04 AM

1. IL2 Sturmovik 1946
Combat flight sim.

2. rFactor (F1 2009 mod)
Racing sim.

Forget the rest!

music_phantom13 11-02-2009 11:27 AM

Ok, sounds fun to me. My top 10:

1. Super Metroid: The first Metroid was just far too basic, and I never played the second one. But This game was absolutely perfect. As a kid I could get lost in time searching for more bombs, super bombs, energy packs and everything. And something I really enjoyed about this game the first time through was that you could just stumble upon a boss without any idea it was coming, which made it interesting. Even after playing through the game, you knew you'd never find all of the secret rooms and passageways to get more stuff, which kept it interesting. The story line was interesting too, and this was one of the first games I ever got.

2. The Legend of Zelda - Ocarina of Time: Do I really need to say anything? Add to the complete awesomeness of this game that it was the first N64 game I ever owned, and this is pretty much tied for that top spot.

3. Super Smash Bros. - Well Melee was completely different than either of the other two, and I don't like the Wiimote, so I'll go old school and pick the first Smash Bros. I played this game a lot when it first came out and I was like 10 years old, I loved kicking ass with Pikachu. Like Booboo said, these games were meant for people that don't like fighting games, and it captured that perfectly.

4. Earthbound Earthbound was unbelievably fun. What other RPG let you fight with a frying pan or a yo-yo, among various other objects? I think the point of the game was to make fun of American culture, it was pretty much a parody, and they were spot on. The story line is pretty good too, and the battles were a lot of fun.

5. Chrono Trigger I think maybe this should be higher on my list, but I'm not sure where else to put it. This game kicked ass, you get to travel around through time attempting to save the future world you see by beating the boss in the past. Along the way you fight a whole host of enemies from the different times and use techs to battle in Final Fantasy style active battle.

6. Sonic 3 & Knuckles Why would this not be the best Sonic game? It takes everything that people loved about 2, and adds in the ability to play as Tails or Knuckles. Plus, in this one you can be Tails and fly, which is pretty cool. The levels are bigger and less straight forward. The story line is actually pretty cool and a lot more important than the other games. I liked the Genesis a lot too, but this is probably the only game I'm putting in my top 10.

7. Call of Duty 4 - Modern Warfare This game pretty much dominates any other FPS I can think of. The main game is a lot of fun, but the online and multiplayer is what pushes it over the top. It's definitely my favorite game for the new systems, and the best to play when you're just hanging out with a few friends. I hope the second one is better, but I'm a bit skeptical. And World at War couldn't compare, they made it a lot less realistic and a lot less fun.

8. Gran Turismo 4 Best racing game ever created. It has tons of tracks, including some real world ones. There's cars from back in the 1800s and up through the future. The controls are great, and you have the option of playing b-spec. That mode puts you as a crew chief, so you control how fast and aggressively the driver of the car goes and when he has to stop for pit stops and so on.

9. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Grand Theft Auto 3 revolutionized the series by taking it to the PS2 with better graphics and so on, but San Andreas was better as far as I'm concerned. It had a better story, and they added a lot to the game. Plus, it was set in the 80s, which added much more of a comedic factor to the game. And who doesn't enjoy running around blowing **** up until you have 6 stars and trying to evade the cops? Or stealing fast cars and launching them off huge jumps?

10. Starcraft The only RTS game, besides Warcraft 3, that I was ever able to really get into. This is a very old PC game, but aged unbelievably well. Blizzard did an excellent job of balancing the 3 races, and the concept of a game in space is really fun as well; you can kind of have space battles with battleships and carriers and other flying vehicles. Rushing in with 100000 zergs was always fun to, and you could take over enemy command centers which was always entertaining. Definitely the best PC game ever created.

boo boo 11-02-2009 11:41 AM

Looking back on it my list is rather Nintendo biased. But whatev. There's a lot of others I wish I could have mentioned, WWF No Mercy is one of them, so is San Andreas and Super Metroid.

I hope Homeworld gets a mention or two, I was considering it for my top ten, by far the best RTS I've ever played.

Anyway, I played Gran Turismo 4 last night, I didn't really "get" it, it was too complicated for me and it seemed no matter what I did I'd be trailing behind for what seemed like lightyears, never catching up with the other racers, plus the whole shifting gears element was confusing. I admit I'm not very experienced with the series and I realise it's supposed to be a more authentic racing experience, but I just didn't have a lot of fun with it.

Guybrush 11-02-2009 11:49 AM

Interesting idea :D

1. The Secret of Monkey Island & Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge

Although the first game had had some kind of build-up before it with through titles like Maniac Mansion and Loom, the first Monkey Island game may have been the first truly accessible adventure game of it's kind (point n click). It had humour, an awesomely funny story and loveable characters. However, I slightly prefer the second game to the first. The humour is more sinister, you have more in-jokes, the story's twists and turns are still out there and the ending had me wondering for years before the third game finally was released (the third turned out to disappoint, but whatever). Either way both are exceptionally brilliant and everyone should play these two, gamers or not.


2. Half-Life 2 + episodes 1 & 2

After Half-Life, Valve sure had their work cut out for them if they were gonna top their first game which was absolutely groundbreaking. However, they were able to replicate their success. The second game had gorgeous graphics, real physics and truly excellent gameplay. What's more interesting is that while the first game's setting had more substance than any other FPS at the time, Half-Life 2 took Gordon out of Black Mesa/Xen and put him in a real world conquered by the extradimensional civilization called Combine - a brilliant setting which is way more interesting than the first. The story and setting of Half-life 2 and it's episodes are so enthralling, for me it raised the franchise to new heights of splendor. It's my favourite FPS ever and I can't wait for episode 3! By the way, I'm still out there kicking ass in HL2 Deathmatch-land.


3. Fallout 3

Yep, the latest Fallout 3 game has a few faults but it's still brilliant way beyond by far most games released the last many years. What's nice about it is I had faith in Bethesda all the way and I'm so happy they didn't disappoint. I've spent many hours of my life trying to survive out there in the capital wasteland and I've enjoyed each and every one of them. Thank you Bethesda!


4. GTA : San Andreas

I can appreciate that GTA 3 was the game that truly revolutionized the gaming industry. Liberty City was a sandbox for the player to have fun in so many ways, but San Andreas improved on the success formula in so many ways. The game is huge and they made some real expansions on gameplay. You start out in a crummy hood and the game's all gangstah attitude, then suddenly I'm driving tractors and listening to country around the farms and in the end, I got my own airstrip and I'm terrorizing the general populace in my f-ing harrier jet. Instead of one city, you have a few and driving from one end of the world to the other takes quite a while. Add to that a brilliant, funny story and an excellent port to the PC and it's a great game!


5. Fallout & Fallout 2

No PC RPG can measure up to the fallout franchise, particularly the first two games. Not even classics like Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 or Planescape come close.


6. GTA IV

Awesomely brilliant and the only disappointment for me was that I missed the wide-open feel of San Andreas. IV is less sandboxy, but more polished and oozes of quality. It was a better game than the (more sandboxy) copies like Saints Row 2 because it had a strange kind of integrity and quality which all rockstar fans look forward to and enjoy and it has way better gameplay which, in a game like that, is important.


7. Zelda : A Link to the Past

My favourite game for the SNES - and I've played many of them. It is absolutely wonderful in every way. As you go through the game, you gain more things and more options open for you gameplay-wise allowing you to do new things and reach new places. It's a success formula. I played through this game so many times when I was a kid, it's amazing I didn't get sick of it.


8. Batman Arkham Asylum

I just finished this game like a week ago and I'm still thinking about it. I wanna play it again, but wouldn't that be a waste of time? I didn't expect this game to be as good as it was, but it was brilliant - BRILLIANT I TELL YOU! It's down here because of lack of sentimental attachment, but it's a classic that will be remembered for many years to come. Aside from graphics, great story, great villains, great atmosphere - the game has a gameplayability on par and not completely unlike the best of the Zeldas. Progressing through the story gives you more stuff which opens up new gameplay options and take you new places - in typical Zelda fashion. Boo, you have to play this one.


9. Super Metroid

This is probably my second favourite game for the SNES and what a game it is. What really sets this apart is that it's a 2D platform game that still manages to communicate the spooky isolation and loneliness that Samus Aran by all logic should feel when she's fighting her way through the caves of the mysterious alien planet Zebes. Of course I eventually completed it in less than 4 hours and got the prize at the end.


10. Bioshock

Yeah, another new game and it's an FPS and it's not Call of Duty: Modern Warfare! Instead, it's Bioshock which - although it didn't have the gameplay of Modern Warfare or perhaps Crysis - was genuinely spooky now and then but which above all had an absolutely fascinating setting. The underwater city of Rapture, the history of the characters there, the big daddies and the little sisters .. everything was right up my alley. Eagerly awaiting the next one!


11. OpenTTD (yeah, I know there's no prize for 11 - but I had to push this one off the list :p:)

Transport Tycoon and Transport Tycoon Deluxe (a sort of expansion) are management games in which you have your transport company and you have to make money. You build docks, canals, railroads, airstrips, roads and send out your busses, trains, lorries, boats and planes to make money. Doesn't sound funny? Well - this game can easily keep you happily occupied for hours a day, consider yourself warned. In the 90s, I played this one so much on our 486 until there were so many planes, boats and trains around in the game world that the computer crashed. OpenTTD is an open source remake of the old TTD which feels exactly like the original. It's even got the same brilliant music. All they did was iron out a few annoyances and add some stuff along with a neat multiplayer option. Recommended for everyone!


There are some games I feel could be in there depending on what day it is, for example Blizzard titles like Warcraft II or Starcraft, but what the hey. I guessed that MMORPGs were out of the question, otherwise I would've included norwegian sci-fi MMORPG Anarchy Online for sure!

Anyways, I think I can stand by this list. :)

music_phantom13 11-02-2009 12:09 PM

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Anyway, I played Gran Turismo 4 last night, I didn't really "get" it, it was too complicated for me and it seemed no matter what I did I'd be trailing behind for what seemed like lightyears, never catching up with the other racers, plus the whole shifting gears element was confusing. I admit I'm not very experienced with the series and I realise it's supposed to be a more authentic racing experience, but I just didn't have a lot of fun with it.

I think it might be a little too realistic to be considered the best racing game for a lot of people. I enjoyed it, but it is pretty hard to get into. Seeing as how it's the only series of racing games I've really played much, it wasn't too hard to pick up.

And what's with the hate for Ocarina of Time? I kinda figured this would be on almost everyone's list, but it doesn't look to be as popular here.

boo boo 11-02-2009 12:27 PM

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Ok, sounds fun to me. My top 10:

1. Super Metroid: The first Metroid was just far too basic, and I never played the second one. But This game was absolutely perfect. As a kid I could get lost in time searching for more bombs, super bombs, energy packs and everything. And something I really enjoyed about this game the first time through was that you could just stumble upon a boss without any idea it was coming, which made it interesting. Even after playing through the game, you knew you'd never find all of the secret rooms and passageways to get more stuff, which kept it interesting. The story line was interesting too, and this was one of the first games I ever got.

I don't think that's true, it's only basic in the sense that it's an NES game, that being said I think it was one of the most deep games to ever grace the console, along with Zelda it was one of the first action adventure type games, it was a game that put you in this huge free roam alien world, it made you feel lost, but that was part of the fun.

While Super Metroid is undeniably better, I still consider the original a great game that isn't as dated as people say.

A lot of the so called flaws of the first Metroid were actually the best things about it. IMO only pussies bitch about the lack of a map, that to me just added to the suspense because you truly never knew where you were gonna end up next, which is the whole premise of the series. Besides, if you're super hardcore you'd make your own map. ;)

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06. Legend of Zelda: Orcarina of Time

Pretty much one of the only reasons to have owned a Nintendo 64

That's a bit harsh isn't it? I thought the N64 had an excellent if modest library of games, I can think of at least 30 great games for the system. Pretty much all the Nintendo published games are quality, in fact it's 1st party library is in my opinion the most consistant of any Nintendo console. However I'll admit that aside from those the system only boasted a few good 3rd party published games.

Roemilca 11-02-2009 01:01 PM

1. King's Quest VIII: Mask Of Eternity- One of the most underrated games out there. Most people hate it because it completely broke away from the formula of most KQ games games, and was more of a fighting game than a puzzle game. This is the best game I've ever played though. The regions are incredible and detailed, the way everything unfolds, the suspense, EVERYTHING.

2. Final Fantasy VII- Yeah. Can't really leave this off my list, it's one of the best RPG's I've ever played. I don't really know how to sum up why I like it, though. Sorry.

3. Sims 2- I know everyone's going to hate me for this one, but seriously, it's the most successful simulation games, well, ever. And, I think they need to patch up Sims 3.

4. Legend Of Zelda: OoF- Duh?

5. Age Of Empires- The only RTS I can play, really.

6. Wolfenstein 3D- No, not the Xbox 360 one. The original Doom-style game. CLASSIC.

Is it cool if I finish up in a bit? I have to get off.

music_phantom13 11-02-2009 01:23 PM

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I don't think that's true, it's only basic in the sense that it's an NES game, that being said I think it was one of the most deep games to ever grace the console, along with Zelda it was one of the first action adventure type games, it was a game that put you in this huge free roam alien world, it made you feel lost, but that was part of the fun.

I was too young to be making my own map when I played Metroid. And I only meant basic in the sense that it's an NES game, I know there are a lot of great games for NES but I was never able to get into it because there were so many better ones for the SNES. Plus, a lot of the games worth playing (but not all) had sequels or were ported to the SNES, so I just played those instead.

Guybrush 11-02-2009 02:09 PM

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6. Wolfenstein 3D- No, not the Xbox 360 one. The original Doom-style game. CLASSIC.

Agree, it's a classic .. Just too bad that it's also boring. :p:

storymilo 11-02-2009 02:29 PM

I'll feel like such a n00b because all my games are so new but I don't really know any super old games:p: Anyways here's my top ten favorite games:

10. Age Of Mythology (+ Titans Expansion Pack)- I used to play this game a LOT when I was little. I still think it's really fun, because I \'ve always like Greek myths and it's cool to see how each unit is made to fit with it's mythology.

9. Rock Band 2- I'm sure almost everyone here has played this game at least once. It's really a simple design, and while there are so many different games to choose from (Rock Band 1, and all Guitar Hero games) I went with the one I've played the most:)

8. Impossible Creatures- Wow what an interesting concept that I think was actually pulled of pretty well. If you haven't heard of it, basically what you do is combine your various creatures to make armies of hybrid animals. Really cool, and with mods can get really interesting. I just wish they had gone farther with some of the concepts.

7. Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion- I have spent an unhealthy amount of time on this game. Not my favorite Elder Scrolls game (see below) but still I think a fun game and incredible when modded. Definitely one of the greatest modern RPG's

6. Fallout 3- Another Bethesda game. I'll admit that I haven't played the original first two (I probably should) but I still think this one is great. It beats Oblivion for a couple of reason, but the main one for me is just the scope of the world. Fallout seemed like a more interesting, open, and explorable place to me.

5. Age Of Empires II- Once again, I haven't played the original. (But I have played the third on, which is definitely not as good). This game is just so fun. Build armies and defeat other kingdoms? What could be better?...

4. Warcraft 3- ... Besides this. This is basically a better Age Of Empires to me. All the armies, all the resources, all the cool units and technology, just done better and in a fantasy setting. This way, instead of building knights I get to build fucking Orc Shamans.

3. Civilization 3 and 4- I really couldn't choose here. I used to love Civ 3, and was a little disappointed when Civ 4 came out, but since then it has grown on me. Both of them are great and extremely addicting

2. Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind- Basically, this game beats Oblivion for a couple of reasons. One is that it's the game I played first, and one of the first video games I ever played, and two is actually the same reason I had Fallout 3 above Oblivion. For me, Morrowind is a more active, more fun, more explorable, and much more interesting world. I won't go in to too much detail, but if you really play Morrowind it can suck you in to it's world in a way Oblivion just can't.

1. Half Life 2 + Episodes- So, I have played the original Half Life. And Maybe it's just that it's an older game, but it really didn't do it for me. Half Life 2, on the other hand, does. T His game is so well put together, so well told, and just so... fun, it's just hard not to like. The episodes just extend it.

One of my favorite things about this game is it's story. It doesn't sacrifice any gameplay for story, but still you feel attached to the characters and yourself. I won't ruin it, but the end of Episode 2 really had me feeling a little sad inside. But still excited for the next one :)

ElephantSack 11-02-2009 03:33 PM

1. Grand Theft Auto III - Really, it brought about a whole new take on the old GTA games and video games in general. After all, when in previous video games could you flip cars, blow up police helicopters and snipe hookers from a parking garage?

2. Tetris - Especially 2 player vs. mode. You get a couple of people good and high and sit them down to a Tetris battle... see how long before one of them gives up.

3. 007: Goldeneye - Just a classic throwback from the mid-90s. Everybody played it. Everybody liked it, and lots of people still do. Including this guy right here.

4. Turok 2 - Same story. Who didn't like running around as a giant dinosaur beast, shooting out flying drill bits which were immediately drawn to your enemy's brain? Cerebral bore, like a mother ****er!

5. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater - Cool game. One of the first of it's kind. Used to sit around for hours, just smoking pot and playing this ****in' game. What else is a suburban kid gonna do when he's 14? Decent soundtrack, too.

6. Super Mario Land - Even after almost 20 years of being around, there are still levels on this game that I can't get through. There aren't too many games that people can say that about.

7. Mortal Kombat - If only just for kitsch kicks and nostalgia. I still like to bust out some of the original MK.

8. Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance - This was my favorite game from the MK series. The playability and variety of moves and combos were unlike any of the other MK games.

9. Wii Sports - An instant classic. There are some people out there who only play Wii Sports. It's not overly complicated, and it actually requires physical motion. Not to mention a disclaimer recommending that you put the **** down for a minute and go outside. How cool is that?

10. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 - Same story as the original, but the little extras like the park creator and character creator were just icing on the cake.

LoathsomePete 11-02-2009 06:25 PM

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That's a bit harsh isn't it? I thought the N64 had an excellent if modest library of games, I can think of at least 30 great games for the system. Pretty much all the Nintendo published games are quality, in fact it's 1st party library is in my opinion the most consistant of any Nintendo console. However I'll admit that aside from those the system only boasted a few good 3rd party published games.

Eh I was never really into the Nintendo first party games because well... I never owned a Nintendo or any console up until that point. My friend got one back in 1996 and it was fun to play on, we messed around with Goldeneye and Mario Kart which provided us with many hours of entertainment. We even took turns with Super Mario 64 but that was more his bag than mine. It wasn't really until he got Zelda in 1998 that I really took a big interest in the console. I had just started getting into fantasy at this point so it really helped in grabbing my attention, but it was the first game I ever really saw that seemed like I was on some epic adventure, like in the books I had been reading. After I got my beat Zelda and Super Mario 64 I pretty much started playing games like Starcraft, Half-Life, and Grim Fandango. I really didn't even pick up my N64 controller till 2000 when Spider-Man, Perfect Dark, and WWF No Mercy came out.

I'm a PC gamer at heart and besides Zelda, none of the other Nintendo games intrigued me all that much.

Alfred 11-02-2009 07:01 PM

1. Age Of Empires
The first game I ever got into, and still one of the most addictive games out there. Phenominal, top of the list.

2. Super Mario Galaxy
Ridiculously fun, awesome level design, great concept, top notch visuals and sound. This is THE video game. THE.

3. Civilization 3
A very deep, very challenging and very addictive game. It's simpler than four, but flashier than two, the most rewarding of the series I have to say.

4. Call Of Duty
Some of the most intense single player missions ever, and a superb multiplayer mode with the best maps I've seen. The best in the series.

5. Flower
A simple, gorgeous game that I see as being not only a unique gaming experience but also a work of art with deeper philosophical meaning. Any way you look at it, it's a game that demands to be played.

6. Star Fox 64
I like it for the same reasons as Mario. Except that it's way more video-gamey and is wonderfully cheesy, stupid, and action packed. I need to get this game on Wii Virtual Console so that I don't have to hook up the ol' '64 to play it.

7. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
Whether on the PC or N64, I've spent countless hours with this game. Excellent soundtrack, addictive gameplay, and tons of replay value... this game has endless appeal.

8. Super Mario Bros.
An obvious choice, but how such a simple, linear game can be so addictive is beyond me. This game somehow manages.

9. Age Of Empires II: The Age Of Kings
Doesn't hold as much sentimental value with me, but I will say that it is a better game than the first. The campaign mode was excellent, and it added a new art style and some new gameplay tweaks that made it fresh. Outstanding game.

10. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
A frustrating old beast, but I am ever so proud of my accomplishments within it.

boo boo 11-03-2009 02:25 AM

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I was too young to be making my own map when I played Metroid. And I only meant basic in the sense that it's an NES game, I know there are a lot of great games for NES but I was never able to get into it because there were so many better ones for the SNES. Plus, a lot of the games worth playing (but not all) had sequels or were ported to the SNES, so I just played those instead.

I guess it helped that I always played the originals first, even if they were 4 bits less than their 16 bit sequels I still enjoy the NES originals, sometimes more than the SNES versions. My philosophy as a retrogamer is to never judge older games by today's standards (because they're not meant to be) but by what they managed to achieve in their era, and a lot of times the "datedness" of video games just makes them more appealing to me, I'm the same way with movies too I guess.

I dont think all the SNES sequels are better than the NES originals. I'll give you Super Metroid over Metroid, LTTP over Zelda 1 and 2, FFVI over FFI and Super Castlevania over Castlevania. But I still think the first Contra is on par with Contra III, the best Mega Mans are still the first 3 NES games (though the Mega Man X series is also pretty sweet), Kirbys Adventure is still just as good as the SNES games (well maybe Superstar is better, but only slightly) and SMB3 as I stated earlier is still the best Mario.

I love the SNES, but I still think the NES will always be Nintendo's greatest triumph. It's still my favorite old school console.

boo boo 11-03-2009 02:37 AM

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Eh I was never really into the Nintendo first party games because well... I never owned a Nintendo or any console up until that point. My friend got one back in 1996 and it was fun to play on, we messed around with Goldeneye and Mario Kart which provided us with many hours of entertainment. We even took turns with Super Mario 64 but that was more his bag than mine. It wasn't really until he got Zelda in 1998 that I really took a big interest in the console. I had just started getting into fantasy at this point so it really helped in grabbing my attention, but it was the first game I ever really saw that seemed like I was on some epic adventure, like in the books I had been reading. After I got my beat Zelda and Super Mario 64 I pretty much started playing games like Starcraft, Half-Life, and Grim Fandango. I really didn't even pick up my N64 controller till 2000 when Spider-Man, Perfect Dark, and WWF No Mercy came out.

I'm a PC gamer at heart and besides Zelda, none of the other Nintendo games intrigued me all that much.

Oh well, to be honest, I played a fair share of PS1 games like Spyro, MGS and Twisted Metal, and while I enjoyed them, I was perfectly fine with not having owned a PS1 (though now I wish I had one), I was the only kid around who owned a N64 instead, rather than making me feel like an outcast, it just made me feel like I was hipper than everyone else because I was the only person with a copy of Goldeneye 007. :cool:

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6. Star Fox 64 I like it for the same reasons as Mario. Except that it's way more video-gamey and is wonderfully cheesy, stupid, and action packed. I need to get this game on Wii Virtual Console so that I don't have to hook up the ol' '64 to play it.

As silly as some of the cinematics were, I thought they were pretty epic at the time. Games with cinematic cutscenes and voice acting was such a new concept back then.

LORD ANDROSS, I'VE FAIIIIIILED YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU! *KABLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!*

God I f*cking love that game. It was such an arcade game at heart, that I think they should have actually ported it into one of those sit down cabinet arcade machines, in fact Namco was actually gonna do an arcade Star Fox game and that eventually ended up being Star Fox Assault on the Gamecube.

Man, Assault had such an amazing start, I really thought it was gonna blow SF64 away, with it's fantastic graphics, amazing orchestrated soundtrack and awesome first level, but then they had to ruin it all with the tideous on foot missions. So much potential for a great game... wasted. :(

I don't know why the hell Nintendo is stalling but if they want to keep the Star Fox series alive they need to make a true followup to SF64 already.

Guybrush 11-03-2009 03:04 AM

Being oldschool in everything doesn't always make complete sense, though. It means you put more stock in sentinemtal value than anything. You can admit that a game like super metroid is much better than the original for the nes, but still the old one makes the list while the snes version does not (well, thinking hypothetically - I know it's not on anyone's list). Then what you're rating is your own feelings regarding the game rather than the game itself. Either that, or it's a simple matter of having a wish to be as old school as you can.

Maybe that's not critique worthy, it's a list of your 10 favourites and that implies some sentimental attachments. My own list has quite a bit of nostalgia in it. I'd say though, if your whole list is games that came out before 1996, you've been missing out as a gamer. :p:

Games are getting better, I think. There are many brilliant titles and franchises in the market these days, but someone who puts more stock in sentimentality than quality will be too hard to please.

Victory Guy 11-03-2009 03:19 AM

1. Gears of War 2
Better than the original. Although I have quit playing the game recently because it screwed me over (long story) I have nothing but good things to say about it. Such a fun, gory game.

2. 007 Goldeneye
A breakthrough in shooters and by far the best game made for the 5th generation, Goldeneye for the 64 was and still is today considered the best first person shooter of all time.

3. Super Mario Bros. 3
Seriously GOAT. Nuff said.

4. GTA IV
The reason it is above GTA 3 is for one reason: The Multiplayer. Never have I had so much fun pissing off Americans while running around as a zombie in yellow underwear.

5. GTA 3
Such a huge impact. Turned Grand Theft Auto into more than just controversy. Got more clones than Dolly the Sheep.

6. Guitar Hero Metallica
I had a LOT of fun with this game. The best setlist I have ever seen in a music rhythm game. Also made me for madder in love with Tallica.

7. Tetris
How is this game not legendary? Indescribably addictive and pretty much the best thing Russia has ever done.

8. Zelda: The Ocarina of Time
I remember playing this game a few years ago. I had heard it was long, then when I played it I believed the talk. It was so long and intricate. It had taken me two weeks to finish it. And then when I finished it I realised I had only gotten half way. Monster game.

9. GTA: San Andreas
Just like the above game. An immensely huge game with so many customizational things and a storyline that's deepness is only dethroned by GTA IV.

10. Brutal Legend
This is where my new-games bias really shows it's true colours. Call me crazy for loving it but GODDAMNIT is this game good. Especially for metalheads like me who play games either for gore or humor. This game has both!

boo boo 11-03-2009 03:43 AM

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Being oldschool in everything doesn't always make complete sense, though. It means you put more stock in sentinemtal value than anything. You can admit that a game like super metroid is much better than the original for the nes, but still the old one makes the list while the snes version does not (well, thinking hypothetically - I know it's not on anyone's list). Then what you're rating is your own feelings regarding the game rather than the game itself. Either that, or it's a simple matter of having a wish to be as old school as you can.

That's not true at all, if I think a game is truly better, I'll say it, even if the game it's better than is something I'm sentimentally attached to. I already said Super Metroid is better than Metroid.

But to say the only reason people prefer the older games is because of nostalgia is an unfair generalization, some people prefer the original Metroid just because it's a lot more challenging.

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Maybe that's not critique worthy, it's a list of your 10 favourites and that implies some sentimental attachments. My own list has quite a bit of nostalgia in it. I'd say though, if your whole list is games that came out before 1996, you've been missing out as a gamer. :p:
Well, only two games from this decade were on my list and they were both Wii games so you got me there I guess.

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Games are getting better, I think. There are many brilliant titles and franchises in the market these days, but someone who puts more stock in sentimentality than quality will be too hard to please.
C'mon, that is very unfair, I admit I'm rather biased towards older games, but to say I don't rate games on their quality just isn't true, I've played my share of horrible old games and no I don't spare them any criticism just because they're old.

That was a sincere list of my favorite games, those were the games that most wowed me when I first played them and the games I still come back to the most often.

There were other games I could have added to the list that would have made it seem a little less Nintendo biased, like San Andreas and Homeworld. But just consider those my number 11 and 12 spots, respectively.

I won't deny that I'm biased towards older games but that's not merely out of sentiment. I personally think a lot of older games are just better, I don't know why that's any more far fetched than say a movie buff who still thinks older movies were better, or someone who still thinks the best era in music was the 60s and 70s.

Sure the industry's evolution into 3D brought about new genres like first person shooters (which I'm not a terribly big fan of) but I think 2D just works better for all the older genres. I personally don't think there's been that many big innovations in gameplay styles since the 64 bit era. The most popular PC games are still RTS games which are usually from an isometric persective, they're the kinda games even a 32 bit system could replicate, sure the graphics wouldn't be anywhere near as good, but all the gameplay related content could be crammed in there somehow.

There was a time when better graphics meant a greater opportunity for more innovative gameplay, new perspectives, better physics and so on. But now I think better graphics only mean one thing, and that's better graphics, that just isn't enough to impress me anymore.

As for sentimental attachment, personally I was much more sentimentally attached to OOT than LTTP, but I now acknowledge LTTP to be a better game not because it's older, but just because I consider it a flawless game, while OOT has at least one annoying flaw and that's wrestling the camera which can be a real hassle during boss battles, but that's a criticism I have with 3D games in general (the exceptions being rail sooters and games with an isometric view), because of that one inherent issue with every truly 3D game I've ever played, I don't think a 3D game can ever be completely flawless, like some 2D games can.

That's just my two cents. Have fun bickering at me. :D

Guybrush 11-03-2009 03:53 AM

Well, there's no point in bickering about taste. I have a friend which is quite similar, he still plays his Nintendo and as a gamer, he's stuck in nostalgia land. I think of him as an ex-gamer. If you've completed A Link to the Past 20 times, isn't it time to move on?

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while OOT has at least one annoying flaw and that's wrestling the camera which can be a real hassle during boss battles, but that's a criticism I have with 3D games in general, because of that one inherent issue with every 3D game I've ever played, I don't think a 3D game can ever truly be flawless.

That's just my two cents. Have fun bickering at me. :D

I'd like to challenge this statement though. You have Street Fighter II on your list. Well, I've played a helluva lot of SFII in my time and recently I tried SFIV. It doesn't have an annoying camera angle problem so that can't always be a factor in 3D. In fact, aside from it's predecessor being a classic, I'd say IV it's better than II. ;)

boo boo 11-03-2009 03:59 AM

When I mean 3D I mean games with actual 3D perspectives, while SF IV boasts 3D graphics it's from a 2D perspective, so of course it dosen't have any camera problems.

And besides, they already tried a REAL 3D Street Fighter.

http://www.fightersgeneration.com/games/sfexf.jpg

Didn't work out so well.

Guybrush 11-03-2009 04:18 AM

I agree that 3D games had some teething troubles a long time ago, but they've been ironed out. For example gameplay was often not so good and most of them looked like **** at first. Now they look good and offer gameplay which is simply just not possible in 2D games. Games like Crysis, GTA IV or Fallout 3 are good examples.

Of course I like 2D too but it sorta depends on what kind of game it is. Adventure games I prefer in 2D while racing games I prefer in 3D.

Singo 11-03-2009 05:12 AM

Hm... Kinda hard to select 10 favorite games. Here is a list of 10 games that must have been greatest at the time I played them... In no particular order. And more than 10 since I listed series and expansions together as one game.
1. Baldur's Gate (1,2 + expansions)
2. Monkey Island series
3. Fallout 1 & 2
4. Wolfenstein 3D
5. Dune 2
6. Command and Conquer
7. Vikings
8. Zeliard
9. Need for Speed 1
10. Jagged Alliance 2

Guybrush 11-03-2009 05:19 AM

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4. Wolfenstein 3D

Why not Doom? At least they were entertaining :confused: Wolfenstein 3D was eventually mostly repetitive and boring I thought. It was a first rather than a good in my opinion.

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5. Dune 2
This one I'd argue is also more first than good. It was fun back in the day, but nowadays you can't play it without pulling hairs out of your head. You can only control one unit at a time. I guess many here haven't played dune 2, but perhaps people will be able to imagine in an C&C style RTS how horrifyingly tedious this is .. honestly, even as a first, the devs could've fixed that.

No mean to rip on your list, but - you know, just trying to discuss :D

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Oh, and thanks for supporting the Monkey Islands .. You like the first two? :p:

abdullah424 11-03-2009 09:36 AM

1. Elder Scrolls: Morrowind - Hands down the best game I've ever played. There were so many quests, so many methods of playing, a huge world to explore, and Morrowing didn't hold your hand like Oblivion did. You had to figure out where to go and how to get there on your own for the most part.

2. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - The best 2d game ever in my opinion. Leveling up until your character was a badass was too much fun. And you couldn't beat the wow factor the first time you found out the castle flipped upside down and you had to explore 200% to say you really mastered it.

3. Call of Duty 4 Modern Warefare - The best online multiplayer game ever if you played with a group of friends. So much strategy and action, you just couldn't beat it. The fact that I managed to get all of the golden guns might be one of my favorite gaming triumphs ever.

4. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - I loved how people compained about the water temple being hard. If you have the blue tunic it's a breeze.

5. Super Mario Brothers 3 - No explanation necessary.

6. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - Seems a lot of you guys prefer 3 but for me the level designs in 2 were so much better. Though I'll give the nod to 3 when it comes to the rediculous boss fight at the end when you have all the emeralds.

7. Mortal Kombat Trilogy - The best fighting game ever. A ton of characters. A ton of strategies. And me beating fools down with Kabal and Smoke.

8. Halo: Combat Evolved - Set a new standard for what you can consider a great FPS.

9. Half-Life: Portal - The best 3d puzzle game I've ever played. Such a brilliant concept, I'm begging and praying for a sequel.

10. Madden 2010 - This is really a nod to the whole Madden series but 2010 captured the spark that made Madden the great game it was before nextgen systems. If you're a football fan nothing beats an intense game of Madden against one of your buddies. Many a broken controllers because of this series.

music_phantom13 11-03-2009 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by abdullah424 (Post 762036)
1. Elder Scrolls: Morrowind - Hands down the best game I've ever played. There were so many quests, so many methods of playing, a huge world to explore, and Morrowing didn't hold your hand like Oblivion did. You had to figure out where to go and how to get there on your own for the most part.

Wow. I can't believe I forgot to put this in my list. I think I've spent more time playing Morrowind than any other single player game. Oblivion had a huge graphics overhaul, but sadly the game was very different in a bad way. There were only really what... 8 towns in Oblivion I think? And I honestly didn't mind things like arrows not always hitting, I thought it added a bit more of an element of challenge to the game.

boo boo 11-03-2009 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden (Post 761963)
Why not Doom? At least they were entertaining :confused: Wolfenstein 3D was eventually mostly repetitive and boring I thought. It was a first rather than a good in my opinion.

Oh hey man, don'tchoo be ditching Wolfenstein, that game was badass.

But yeah, Doom IS better, but different strokes I guess.

My favorite first person shooter is still Goldeneye which I also considered for my top 10. Doom, Quake, Turok and Duke Nukem all have a special place in my heart as well.

I wish I played Deus Ex and System Shock, those games look freaking awesome. Those look like games that did something I feel very few FPSs nowadays do and that's actually trying to evolve the genre further.

Which to me dosen't just mean better physics, AI and more weapons.

And no, I haven't played Half Life 2, Team Fortress 2 OR Portal. :(

Once I get a PC that dosen't suck I'm definitely getting The Orange Box.

abdullah424 11-03-2009 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by music_phantom13 (Post 762041)
Wow. I can't believe I forgot to put this in my list. I think I've spent more time playing Morrowind than any other single player game. Oblivion had a huge graphics overhaul, but sadly the game was very different in a bad way. There were only really what... 8 towns in Oblivion I think? And I honestly didn't mind things like arrows not always hitting, I thought it added a bit more of an element of challenge to the game.

Yeah...Oblivion was a disappointment to me. Not to say I didn't like the game, but even though the world was supposed to be bigger it didn't seem as massive. And no matter how I played it Oblivion never seemed as fun. I do think Fallout 3 is a great game though so I'm hoping Bethseda gets it right next time.

I also would have loved to put Uncharted 2 on my list but I haven't beaten the game yet so my final decision on it is still pending.

abdullah424 11-03-2009 10:46 AM

@boo boo

Mind me asking what the last 4 or 5 next gen FPS you've played have been? Because over the years there really have been some great ones.

Guybrush 11-03-2009 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by abdullah424 (Post 762060)
Yeah...Oblivion was a disappointment to me. Not to say I didn't like the game, but even though the world was supposed to be bigger it didn't seem as massive. And no matter how I played it Oblivion never seemed as fun. I do think Fallout 3 is a great game though so I'm hoping Bethseda gets it right next time.

I also would have loved to put Uncharted 2 on my list but I haven't beaten the game yet so my final decision on it is still pending.

I think you just have to give Oblivion an honest try. I didn't like it at first either - I found it hard to find any motivation to play it, but on the second or third try, I figured out what I'd been missing before. Suddenly, the game I'd more or less dismissed earlier had me hooked for days. I've also played Morrowind and honestly, while the world is bigger, I actually had more fun playing Oblivion. Rather they do less better than too much mediocre-ish!

Give it another shot one of these days and you'll find there's plenty of interesting addons that will give you more neat things to do.

To Boo, you haven't played HL2? You definetly have to get that fixed!

abdullah424 11-03-2009 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden (Post 762063)
I think you just have to give Oblivion an honest try. I didn't like it at first either - I found it hard to find any motivation to play it, but on the second or third try, I figured out what I'd been missing before. Suddenly, the game I'd more or less dismissed earlier had me hooked for days. I've also played Morrowind and honestly, while the world is bigger, I actually had more fun playing Oblivion. Rather they do less better than too much mediocre-ish!

Give it another shot one of these days and you'll find there's plenty of interesting addons that will give you more neat things to do.

To Boo, you haven't played HL2? You definetly have to get that fixed!

Don't take my dissappointment the wrong way. While I never played the expansion pack (which I'll rectify once the game of the year edition is really cheap) I actually played through the normal game twice and earned the full 1000 gamerscore pts back when I had a 360 (ps3 now). I enjoyed the game but I guess I expected a more open world to explore. Oblivion just seemed really linear to me compared to Morrowind. I felt like the game was spoon feeding the quests to me instead of forcing me to just randomly stumble across them which I'll admit was more tedius but for me that just made it more satisfying.

On a side note do any of you guys have ps3s? And if so do you plan on getting Modern Warfare 2?

storymilo 11-03-2009 11:18 AM

I prefer Morrowind to Oblivion, but honestly I've probably spent more time playing Oblivion than any other game I have. It's just that addicting. Also, the expansion packs/mods are great, but unfortunately you need a pc to get the mods.

anticipation 11-03-2009 02:28 PM

1. Diablo 2 + Lord of Destruction Expansion Pack
To be honest, I hated the original Diablo. I thought it was ridiculously boring and worthless, and I still kind of do. However, when Diablo 2 came out I was blown away. The depth and versatility of the game astounded me, and Blizzard’s Battle.net made it easy for young kids like me to play online for FREE. That’s insane, especially considering the complexity of the game and the near endless customization that was possible. One of the most addicting and varied games of all time, bar none.

2. Pokémon Red + Blue
From the moment I first picked up Pokémon I was a fan. I’ve got loads of cards upstairs right now, I watched the show almost every weekend, and I can still remember the names of pretty much every original Pokémon. The game was so great in its simplicity; here’s your dude, make it strong, and fight another dude. All the cheats, all the little secret codes and hidden gems made it both a classic game and a cultural icon. These guys have the longevity market cornered, as they’re still making great games today,

3. Blades of Steel
Infamous hockey game for the NES, it’s still the standard all hockey games are compared to today. Despite being born 5 years after it came out, I was lucky enough to have a deadbeat father who kept his copy and let me play it on the weekends when I went to see him. Some of my best memories are just me destroying people at Blades of Steel as a seven year old in my pajamas.

4. The Legend of Zelda: Link’s Awakening
Aside from Pokémon, I didn’t really like very many games on the Game Boy. The one I did fall in love with was Link’s Awakening DX, which was a color remake of the original. The premise of a windfish that needs divine instruments to be woken up from a nap is crazy, but it seemed viable when I was 10. I eagerly played this game all the time and it was a genuine challenge to me, a first in my video game experiences.

5. NHL 09
I love NHL 09, and I’ve logged some serious hours on Xbox Live playing against jerks from Germany to China, and everywhere in between. The ability to get five of your friends together and play on the same line is brilliant, the scope of the draft/scouting system in dynasty mode is unprecedented, and the graphics are some of the best to date. I play this game every day after school, and before the real games start. Nothing better than getting high and making Markus Naslund put up 6 goals against the Detroilet Red Wings.

6. Mario Tennis 64
One of the first sports games I ever played, Mario Tennis 64 was just so addicting. Each character brought a different style and different abilities, but my favorite was always the Koopa Paratroopa. I quickly mastered this simple game and loved the pace of competitive play with my friends.

7. Metroid Prime
In my opinion, Metroid Prime was the best game ever made for the GameCube. It had everything you could possibly want in a FPS; an intriguing story, gorgeous graphics, responsive gameplay, and both easy and infuriating degrees of difficulty. I know some might think it strange that I didn’t include the original Metroid, or Super Metroid in my list, but rest assured I love those games too. It’s just that I grew up with Metroid Prime and therefore it will always top my list of Metroid games.

8. Baldur’s Gate: Dark Alliance
This is a game that I picked up on clearance for like $5 bucks from one of those secondhand electronics stores. For a game that I bought on a whim, Baldur’s Gate had incredible value and is probably the hidden gem of my collection. Not a pure RPG in the contemporary sense, it lacks the customization of some of its peers. However, the story was solid and the gameplay was insanely fun hack-and-slash fare.

9. Age of Mythology + Titans
My first, and admittedly last, RTS, AoM was aesthetically beautiful. The gameplay was simple and required strategic thought, as opposed to just mass production and large-scale assault. The expansion was where it’s at though, I loved The Titans add-ons and thought that the Atlantean campaign was awesome.

10. Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando
A cartoony and fun-filled game that I played as a tween. The best part of Ratchet and Clank was the oddball humor and wickedly ingenious arsenal developed for Ratchet. Some of the guns were outlandish, others were devastating, but they were all unique. Gameplay was basic platforming, but the locales were lush and colorful, as well as destructible. One of the first games I played that incorporated an interactive environment.

Sparky 11-03-2009 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by abdullah424 (Post 762067)
On a side note do any of you guys have ps3s? And if so do you plan on getting Modern Warfare 2?

Me. Yes, definitly.

I prestiged 10 times in the original.:p:

mr dave 11-03-2009 05:28 PM

time to weigh in with my own top 10. going straight across the board this is going to be rough...


1 - System Shock - the be all end all of first person action, adventure, stealth, and sci-fi horror rolled up into an amazing package. yes there's a whole lot of nostalgia factor on this one but quite frankly not a single one of the games that directly or indirectly followed in this title's path ever surpassed it.

2 - Neverwinter Nights - the perfect presentation of Dungeons and Dragons to a generation of gamers who thought Diablo was a fulfilling role playing experience.

3 - Diablo 2 - if i need to explain this you need to try it out. to call it a real RPG is foolish, to deny its incredibly addictive fun is even more foolish.

4 - Anachronox - back in 2000 after already a full year and a half of hearing how John Romero was 'going to make you his bitch' with Daikatana, another part of Ion Storm was busy working on one of the best pc rpgs ever released. no goblins, no dungeons filled with undead, no evil knights or fair maidens to be seen. the world of Anachornox was fresh and unique, sci-fi but not overly technical, magical but not fantastical, with a twist i'm STILL reeling from almost 10 years later. it's such a bummer that so much of Ion Storm's money went into PR for a steaming piece of crap considering how good this and its other major title (Deus Ex) turned out to be. i wonder if John Romero has learned humility yet?

5 - Civilization 4 - it's hard to just choose one Civ game this is really a toss up between part 2 and 4. i just can't deny all the advancements and extra polish applied to the newest take on the game.

6 - Dawn of War 2 - this is the game Blizzard needs to make people forget with Starcraft 2. problem is, Relic has managed to release 2 full titles, and is working on the 4th expansion in the series in the time Blizzard has released absolutely nothing on the RTS front.

7 - Super Metroid - the pinnacle of old school side scrolling action adventure gaming.

8 - Rockband 2 - the greatest co-op multiplayer game i've ever had the pleasure of entertaining myself with.

9 - Fallout - the original. yes it's old, yes the combat mechanics are pretty aggravating if you don't max our your agility, and it's still buggy as hell... but i'll be damned if it's still not one of the best RPG experiences i've ever had on the pc. i found the 2nd one to be a little 'too' open ended, sandbox games can be great but i'd rather play the game as opposed to playing with the game. the newest one is awesome too but feels a little too much like Oblivion with guns at times and the forced Christ / Lucifer ending sucked ass.

10 - Final Fantasy 2 - this title marked the end of an era with the FF series and a very high water mark for old school RPGs. the biggest distinction with this title compared to the others is the story based character classes. you had no choice in determining who did what, there were no abilities, or options to allow all the characters to be built up to use everyone else's stuff and that kept each character unique in a way that seems to have gone the way of the do-do. and contrary to popular belief, Aeris was not the first FF party member to die in a scripted event either.

abdullah424 11-03-2009 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by matious (Post 762238)
Me. Yes, definitly.

I prestiged 10 times in the original.:p:

Nice...I never prestiged...got all the golden guns instead...give me an add my gamer tag is

boo boo 11-04-2009 07:01 AM

Man, I should have thought of a better scoring system for this.

The original idea is that the highest ranking game on a list is worth 10 points, and the lowest is worth 1.

But keeping score of everything will be hard, you have any suggestions that might make this easier?


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