Modern Warfare 2
 

Anyone got it? I do and I love it, especially multiplayer.

I haven't but i work in a games shop so i'm sick to death of the bloody thing already. I'll probably play it eventually.

My husband's been playing this non-stop for the last week. He loves it. I haven't had a chance to play yet but hopefully I can give it a whirl sometime here in the next week.

The game the male half of my social life are obsessed with. They hardly come to the pub anymore seriously, too busy playing each other on MW2. :(

I've heard that it's great, but I'm not really a huge CoD fan (I have Modern Warfare 1 and though it was pretty good, but not fantastic) and I definitely don't want to pay 60 fucking bucks for the PC version when I could get Borderlands for 10 less and probably enjoy a lot more.

Great game...I'm starting to get back into my multiplayer groove after a 2 year break. Finally got a seven kill streak. The drought is officialy over

I'll get this eventually, however I want to finish Borderlands and play my way through Grand Theft Auto: Episodes from Liberty City and Batman: Arkham Asylum before I work my way over to this one. With the end of the semester looming ever closer I will have more than enough time to play my way through the list.

Modern Warfare 2 is the reason why I no longer see my boyfriend or any other of my male friends. Serious.

The game is crazy. I've been playing almost non stop. We've had some weather a couple days last week so I had plenty of time to play.

Gaming for dummies.

Why is this the most hyped game in the universe again?

Another first person shooter where you get to kill a lot of foreigners? Aren't there enough of those at this point? What's all the fuss about? What makes this stand out among all the other shooters out there? Because I don't see it.

I guess the hype comes from the fact that it's a great series and the previous modern warfare (CoD 4) was a kickass game.

I agree that it's excessive, though.

So the same people who hate on older franchises for not being innovative enough anymore are praising a game that does absolutely nothing new just because it's a new entry in a fanboy pleasing franchise?

Okay. I guess that's as a good enough of an answer as I'm gonna get.

Well, I for one would be quite disappointed if suddenly all games developers stopped making FPS games. I'd like to be able to pick up new ones instead of playing through the old ones over and over and over ..

In other words, I don't think a game has to be 100% original to be good. Half Life 2 wasn't. ;)

I'm not saying that. But I just feel that the innovations in the genre are purely cosmetic. I'm not saying a game has to be super innnovative to be good, hell no. New Super Mario Bros Wii is on the top of my Christmas wish list.

But when you're talking about the biggest genre in the business and there being SO MANY shooters on the market, there's not really much of an excuse for the lack of innovation, it would at least help some games to stand out, even if the experiments fail. People seem to hate Mirrors Edge with a passion but by god, at least it actually stood out.

When I mean innovation, I'm not just talking about the new technological trends, I downright dispise this modern trend of expansion packs and online fees. Whatever happened to buying a game and you know, actually having a finished product in your hands?

Still, I understand there have been some highly original shooters out there.

I thought Metroid Prime was quite innovative in how it brought puzzle platforming and action adventure into the mix. I actually think of it as more of a first person adventure than a shooter.

But why dont we have more shooters expanding on ideas like this? Or the FPS/RPG concept that started with Deus Ex and System Shock?

I will say there's one FPS out right now that I'm quite interested in, Zeno Clash looks awesome.

Welll different strokes I guess, I'm perfectly fine with sticking to Doom, Quake 2 and Goldeneye until a FPS comes along that REALLY grabs my attention, unfortunately I wish that wasn't such a rare occurance.

I might check this game out if I can find the PC version but I don't want to put up with monthly online fees and crap which I'd probably have to do if I want to get any enjoyment out of it as it seems to be yet another shooter that's all about the multiplayer.

Of course not. It dosen't even need to be 01% original to be good. Most of the new games I have much of an interest in are fairly retro in nature.

But until there actually are some innovative shooters out there. I will continue to laugh maniacally in the face of every Halo fanboy who puts down Mario and Zelda for "lacking innovation".

In fact, I'm gonna do that right now.

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Variations in gameplay is good I think and I sometimes miss it, but as for Modern Warfare they're obviously marketing the game towards all those who like shooting other players to pieces in online matches. I understand the criticism against the lack of variety in gameplay, but I think the game being tailored as a multiplayer action at least explains (I think) why one should expect less variation. In online matches, it would be hard to find a way for puzzles to make sense for one thing .. It's much easier to be original in 1 player games like Mirror's Edge and Bioshock.

1 Player FPS games still feel frequently fresh to me - aside from the ones I mentioned, Crysis was good, the new Operation Flashpoint just came out which is quite different and I'm sure Bioshock 2 will have some new tricks up it's sleeve.

Of course FPS games in general don't taste quite as fresh now as it used to but that's because FPS games have been around for quite a while now, much longer than they had in the 90s.

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare might not be as innovative when it comes to gameplay because as Tore said, there's not much you can do to it. It's a fast pace action shooter game that demands the player move up quickly to actually proceed throughout the level rather than just shooting at respawning enemy soldiers all day. It's a formula that works for a lot of players and one that really shouldn't be tampered with. As far as innovation goes, the game is quite innovative as far as straying from what a lot of other war games constantly do. Rather than portraying the protagonist factions (USMC and SAS) as brave and heroic they are occasional moments where they're depicted as short sighted, arrogant, or just psychotic. This is a really nice change of pace from the usual war game where the patriotism is so thick you could cut it with a knife. The game also doesn't use high wailing trumpet tracks as much as Medal of Honor does which makes the game a lot more playable. Whenever you die the game tells you the outrageous cost of certain military items or an anti-war quote. Most importantly though, characters you come to know and love actually die in the game. In fact, a character you control for a good half the game succumbs to radiation poisoning after a nuclear bomb detonates while he's riding away in a helicopter after saving a different helicopter pilot. It's not just a cut scene either, everything goes red and you can hear your avatar struggling to breath. You can crawl out of the helicopter and just see the devastating amount of destruction, or you can just stare at the dead corpses of people you fought with. This happens until you eventually die, alone in a foreign country that now is a dead and barren wasteland. How many games do you know where that happens?

I agree, Pete .. That death was definetly a memorable video game moment for me. :)

It was also exciting to crawl under cars with the enemy passing a mere metre away when I was a sniper in super-camo with twigs in my helmet. I'm very much looking forward to see what MW2 will bring! From what I've seen on commercials, there's even action taking place in space. :p:

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Looks exciting to me.

Note: I have not played Modern Warfare 2 yet and I am not saying it's a bad game.

...but all this hype and RAVE REVIEWS are making me sick. You're not hardcore because you play what amounts to the most casual first person shooter on the face of the planet. I played through Call Of Duty 4 expecting an amazing cinematic experience and squad-based thrills that would trump the original Call Of Duty. Did it deliver? No. The story was pretty good, but not amazing like everyone seems to think. And four years later, Infinity Ward STILL can't top the intensity of Call Of Duty's campaign. Oh, and did I mention that the graphics looked like SHIT? Literally? From what I hear, all Modern Warfare 2 amounts to is a more over-the-top, shorter version of Call Of Duty 4 with some new multiplayer elements (hopefully better maps?). Blah, I see why boo boo gets so frustrated.

Well, if there's nothing new to bring to multiplayer gaming then perhaps it's best for the FPS genre to focus more on single player. Like Bioshock.

Anywho, even though I hated on Yahtzee in my 100 things that piss me off about video games thread, I gotta admit sometimes he nails it right on the freaking head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa6WLMt-3oQ

You know, I take it back, this guy actually can be pretty damn funny... when he's not riffing on a game I like obviously.

This guy is basically the Urban Hatemonger of the gaming world.

Yeah, he's funny. I don't think his opinions are worth much, though. In the Halo 3 review video you posted, he admits to not trying the multiplayer and even says he doesn't give a **** about it. After playing the single player campaign, he concludes that the Halo 3 hype was excessive because the game is average and not great.

What he doesn't acknowledge or seem to understand is that the 1 player campaign wasn't the reason for the hype - the multiplayer bit which he never even tried was. Halo fans like the multiplayer and so obviously they weren't looking forward to Halo 3 because of the single player, duh.

I mean, as a review, it's embarassing - but at least it entertains.

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Inevitably, people are gonna do the same to MW2. Some who like multiplayer will probably say it's a great game and then there are those who pick it up and only ever play the 1p campaign and that's perhaps good for what .. 4-5 hours or a bit more of fun?

They're gonna complain of course and say the game is overhyped. ;)

True but his job is not to be a serious reviewer, his job is to rant in a funny way.

I pretty much decided I hated this guy after watching his Brawl review, he made a few good points like the sprites being too small but he clearly didn't get all his facts right. Like when he complained about it taking 10 hours to unlock Sonic, first off that was only one method of unlocking him, he didn't seem to realise that you could unlock Sonic by simply beating the arcade mode with 10 different characters, that's what I did and it only took me an hour.

However I realise that his job is to simply rant about his subjective opinions in a funny manner, not to give objective and professional reviews, anyone who considers his reviews unbiased and reliable consumer advice is clearly an idiot.

But for that I can forgive him for getting his facts wrong from time to time. That's not what he's being paid to do.

At least he's honest for admitting he hasn't played it.

And I do agree with his point that not everybody wants to spend a lot of money on a game that's only good for multiplayer. And that you shouldn't call a game perfect if you keep having to make excuses for it. Half assed single player is a legitimate complaint, if the single player isn't important then why is it there to begin with?

Which is why if I ever get this game I'll be sure I can play it online.

I think that's the part that non FPS players don't get.

Fans of this game type don't buy a COD title for the single player, we buy it for the multiplayer. How good the cpu AI is never a huge concern and how innovative the game is doesn't really matter believe it or not. When you add real people to the mix no two games are going to play out the same way and the game stays fresh b/c strategies have to continue to evolve to remain effective.

That's the attraction of multiplayer games for serious gamers. I honestly think the majority of people who refuse to acknowledge the skill level necessary to perform well in an online FPS are the ones who have horrible reflexes thus having no chance of excelling in said competitions

With that being said, CODMW2 has made enough innovations to make both the single and multiplayer aspects of the game fresh and enjoyable. I'm not going to list them all but the choose your own killstreak and the evolving perks are both near the top of my list.

But at the end of the day, isn't multiplayer always fun? At least when it's with actual flesh and blood people in the room. I just think the industry has gotten incredibly lazy by making everything all about multiplayer, it's becoming a crutch for those that have no creativity left.

I love a good multiplayer but lets be honest, not everybody has friends, sometimes it's just you and the game, and while online play is the obvious alternative for that, playing with a bunch of f*ckwads online who keep throwing homophobic slurs at you for no reason whatsoever other than to be douchebags.... well it's not the same to say the least.

I should at least be able to play a game whenever I want and still have fun because friends just aren't that f*cking reliable most of the time to tell you the truth.

Single player is still highly preferable at the end of the day, because lets be honest, most of the time when I'm hanging out with other people we priobably wont even think about playing video games, but when I'm alone with nothing to do, which is basically all the time, then that's a completely different story. And sometimes friends just ruin the totally emmersive effect a great game can have.

Oh please, like I said before, Call Of Duty is the most casual shooter franchise on the market. Call Of Duty does for FPS's what Wii did for gaming in general.

Hmm.... I'll take that as a compliment. :)

Lol, I meant that in the way that it brings tons of people into the genre who wouldn't play otherwise. This is due to its simple controls, simple gameplay, and addictive multiplayer.

The gameplays only simple when you're playing against people who have no idea what they're doing. Give me an example of a non casual FPS on consoles? Socom, Halo, Rainbow 6?...pffftttt.

If I'm not playing with people on my friends list I actually rarely use my mic b/c of that. Or I just mute everybody who's being obnoxious which I'll admit can very easily be everyone in the room with you.

I have to disagree with your last statement though. Playing with a friend has never ruined a gaming experience for me in fact its been the opposite. A good deal of my memorable gaming experiences have included a friend and thats with going back to Atari.

Notice how I said the most casual FPS. FPS's by nature, are not casual games, so it's all relative.

I would hesitate to call Battlefield: Bad Company casual by any means. It's got huge maps, vehicles, a destructible environment, and far more diverse gameplay than run 'n' gun.

People run 'n' gun in Battlefield too, all huge maps do is promote camping, and vehicles take away from the experience which is why I've never been a huge fan of the Treyarch titles. But I guess we've reach the point where we agree to disagree.

Bioshock 2 is actually being made with a multiplayer mode apparently. I'm not really sure how it's going to work but I'm excited to see if it's actually good.

I pretty much agree with everyone here. I think Call of Duty is one of the most overrated games ever but I do think Modern Warfare 1 is fun. I just got bored of it rather easily, I didn't really find it addictive like people say.

Camping doesn't work in Bad Company. If someone is sitting in a building waiting for some unexpecting enemy, all you have to do is blow down the wall and expose the poor bastard.

Well.

I'd rather a shooter have a great single player and a half assed multiplayer than the other way around.

Same here. Unless that shooter is Left 4 Dead or something like that.

That "No Russian" controversy is bull****, ****ing conservative dip ****s.

When I say campers I mean the real campers. The *******s who hide in the most out of the way spots on the least travelled paths and wait until some poor sap who subconsciously thinks "nobody could possibly be hiding this far away from all the action" until they kill you and move three steps left or right to wait for the next unlucky bastard.

That's so ineffective. Bad Company maps are over twice as big as Modern Warfare maps, and it only supports 6 more players than Modern Warfare. So really, you'd be waiting a LONG time before your little scheme works out. I have never encountered anyone doing this in BC.

I've never played Bad Company because destructive enviroments, vehicles and gigantic maps don't enhance gameplay in my opinion. But I have played almost every other multiplier shooter on xbox and playstation and people have camped in every single one of them. So I find it hard to believe that nobody camps in Bad Company, especially because all online multiplayer communities are made up of the same players.

So consider yourself lucky...they're out there and one of these days you'll come across them.

The only way that there's 'camping' in Bad Company is if you consider someone who crouches on top of a building and snipes people to be a camper.

As for destructible environments, it turns out to be a huge gameplay factor in Bad Company. Someone hiding in a building? Blow open a wall and expose them. Want to drive your tank, but there's trees in the way? Knock them down.

The vehicles also play an important role, by enhancing the variety of gameplay and providing easier means of transportation in huge maps. Really, do you want to spend all of your time running into battle, getting killed, and then have to do the same thing all over again, hoping you get lucky this time? And it's not just tanks that you have to drive, you can also use helicopters, armored cars, and golf carts. I generally don't like vehicles as well, but in Bad Company, nothing is more rewarding than driving up in a tank and plowing down enemy soldiers and trees.

Big maps allow for a bigger variety in the gameplay. I don't know about you, but I get sick of running and gunning around a bunch of walls and buildings all day.

/sales pitch