comedians

**Marie Monday** · 02-06-2021, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Elph only ever posts in this thread to diss good comics I like such as chappelle and patrice cause he doesn't like their politics. He pretends its about the comedy but he has nothing to say about comedy. Its about the politics. Plus it's not goth to laugh. Stay sad, elf.

I rarely find american comedians funny but yeah, this was pretty good.

**Marie Monday** · 02-06-2021, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

when I commented on Dave, I mentioned that I thought his old material is hysterical but he's kinda lost it

I think it's actually you, that likes something based on the messaging

it's like they don't have to actually tell any ****ing jokes as long as it's sufficiently anti-PC Alpha dirtbag misogynistic in image

I don't follow this thread enough to say anything about what jwb likes and why, but I think this is a pretty apt observation about (american?) comedy and why I don't like it. Most of what I've seen just seems very crude and that's all it is, there's no wit in it.

**Marie Monday** · 02-06-2021, 05:06 PM

well it's obviously funny to many people, but it's loudest-guy-at-the-bar funny and that doesn't do it for me

OccultHawk · 02-06-2021, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

I don't follow this thread enough to say anything about what jwb likes and why, but I think this is a pretty apt observation about (american?) comedy and why I don't like it. Most of what I've seen just seems very crude and that's all it is, there's no wit in it.

Comedy doesn’t translate very well.

Although once in Japan I was in a bar with some other gaijin and a tv was on and it was a comedy show where they did this stunt where they created an entire 5K foot race just to trick this person into having thought he (or she? I can’t remember) won and while they were pumping their arms in the air in triumph they crossed over a breakaway cross way and they fell into a muddy pit and everyone gathered around pointing and laughing from above. It had me in stitches for the entire evening. I still crack up thinking about it. God what a gag.

**Marie Monday** · 02-06-2021, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Comedy doesn’t translate very well.

Although once in Japan I was in a bar with some other gaijin and a tv was on and it was a comedy show where they did this stunt where they created an entire 5K foot race just to trick this person into having thought he (or she? I can’t remember) won and while they were pumping their arms in the air in triumph they crossed over a breakaway cross way and they fell into a muddy pit and everyone gathered around pointing and laughing from above. It had me in stitches for the entire evening. I still crack up thinking about it. God what a gag.

Comedy is definitely very strongly tied to specific cultures, but in general I dislike similar kinds of comedy from other countries for the same reason. I think the issue is just that it's a relatively dominant form of comedy in america

02-06-2021, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

when I commented on Dave, I mentioned that I thought his old material is hysterical but he's kinda lost it

I think it's actually you, that likes something based on the messaging

it's like they don't have to actually tell any ****ing jokes as long as it's sufficiently anti-PC Alpha dirtbag misogynistic in image

I don't know what you mean by "they don't tell jokes"

Bill hicks doesn't ****ing tell jokes either. He goes through material. That's what real comedians do. You didn't explain how he lost it or why either he or patrice aren't funny they're just edgy for the sake of it and that's absolute horse**** so that's why it seems political to me. Everything you do and like is based on an image. I like bill hicks and patrice o'neal. I like comedy.

Patrice isn't edgy for the sake of edgy, he's brutally honest for the sake of comedy. People who don't like him usually can't take that kind of honesty.

OccultHawk · 02-06-2021, 05:53 PM

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Everything you do and like is based on an image.

It’s probably the most predictable and robotic thinking process I’ve ever witnessed.

**Marie Monday** · 02-06-2021, 06:27 PM

I don't think comedians are edgy for the sake of being edgy, but I think Elph was on to something when he called it alpha. This is post-midnight rambling so maybe tomorrow I'll be like wtf was I on about but whatever: I think the reason behind American comedy being what it is (specifically not witty), is the US's competitive winner/loser mentality. The thing is, a winner is a dominant alpha, and that kind of dominance is often brute force over brains. Wit is generally a thing to resort to for beta wimps, and those aren't people to put on a stage and cheer at in American culture, at least not as much as in England for instance.

02-06-2021, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Patrice said **** that's pretty stupid

irrelevant to whether he's funny but no I don't think it's "brutal honesty", I think it's pitching a world view like anyone else

It's brutal honesty from his pov which is admittedly twisted yet internally consistent. And it speaks to certain elements of the human psyche which might be ****ed up but nonetheless are sometimes there in many of us. And he turns that into comedy to make light of it all.

You saying it takes zero wit just tells me you either have a **** sense of humor or you aren't that familiar with his work because he's notoriously sharp and fast on his feet. He's the kind of comedian other comedians respect for being able to go head to headv with just about anyone on the spot.

"He's said dumb ****..." And ???? You're only proving my point.

02-06-2021, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

I don't think comedians are edgy for the sake of being edgy, but I think Elph was on to something when he called it alpha. This is post-midnight rambling so maybe tomorrow I'll be like wtf was I on about but whatever: I think the reason behind American comedy being what it is (specifically not witty), is the US's competitive winner/loser mentality. The thing is, a winner is a dominant alpha, and that kind of dominance is often brute force over brains. Wit is generally a thing to resort to for beta wimps, and those aren't people to put on a stage and cheer at in American culture, at least not as much as in England for instance.

Patrice o'neal is hardly the face of American comedy. It seems like you are speaking in generic terms that frankly don't apply to this specific convo if you aren't familiar with the comedian in question.

He does have an alpha presence to him, that much is true. So what?