The Rock Album Survivor Reviews Thread

JGuy Grungeman · 06-17-2016, 02:46 PM

How about this, guy who doesn't know what anything means because apparently he likes being a dumbass: Get off my thread.

**Frownland** · 06-17-2016, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

How about this, guy who doesn't know what anything means because apparently he likes being a dumbass: Get off my thread.

You're the one who doesn't think that one of the defining albums of a genre is of that genre so...

You gonna review that album I recc'd? If you're down I can suggest a movie too

Art punk is a subgenre of post punk, not a different genre on its own. That's why Wire gets included.

Zhanteimi · 06-17-2016, 02:50 PM

Seriously, you two! At it again? Shut it!

**Frownland** · 06-17-2016, 02:51 PM

Ugh, you want me to keep talking too? I'm good, man.

The Batlord · 06-18-2016, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

95/100. I actually rated this higher than I expected to. Despite this, I don't really think it's post-punk. From what I hear, the second is supposed to be more post-punk, so I'll vote it off pretty early. I know it seems odd to vote off better albums, but it is a post-punk chart. I just think voting for better albums that don't fit the bill is like adding a bunch of unrelated albums to a list and calling it whatever. So, yeah. Plus, I know what my top 3 are.

JGuy Grungeman · 06-18-2016, 11:28 AM

I'm in a folk/soft music mood today, so I think I'll tackle some of that for a while.

JGuy Grungeman · 06-18-2016, 06:45 PM

OK, it's 95% likely I'm baiting myself, but I'm going to make a couple points.
A: in no way have I ever claimed, or believed that I am a genre "expert." I'm just fascinated with the complications of defining them and the ambiguousness it gains from most people's interpretations of them.

B: I don't consider Pink Flag post-punk for these reasons: Post-Punk has no time restriction and is focused on confusion and emotion, usually sadness/depression/loneliness, etc. 99% of Pink Flag gave me raw energy and proud anger, traits of regular punk. I indeed noticed traces of post-punk, and I admit it's one of the defining influences. But not enough for me to call it a full post-punk album.

If you still think this is a dumb opinion, I'll listen to the whole list and then finish with Pink Flag. So that will be my project for the week: the post-punk list.

The Batlord · 06-18-2016, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

OK, it's 95% likely I'm baiting myself, but I'm going to make a couple points.
A: in no way have I ever claimed, or believed that I am a genre "expert." I'm just fascinated with the complications of defining them and the ambiguousness it gains from most people's interpretations of them.

B: I don't consider Pink Flag post-punk for these reasons: Post-Punk has no time restriction and is focused on confusion and emotion, usually sadness/depression/loneliness, etc. 99% of Pink Flag gave me raw energy and proud anger, traits of regular punk. I indeed noticed traces of post-punk, and I admit it's one of the defining influences. But not enough for me to call it a full post-punk album.

If you still think this is a dumb opinion, I'll listen to the whole list and then finish with Pink Flag. So that will be my project for the week: the post-punk list.

Influences? Pink Flag all but birthed post-punk and is one of, if not the first post-punk album. Just because it's not the stereotype you have in your head doesn't mean it's not post-punk. In fact, to define post-punk as you have defeats the purpose of post-punk, and I imagine most post-punks would sneer at you and the very idea of how narrowly you define it.

JGuy Grungeman · 06-18-2016, 09:32 PM

I believe most people on RYM say it's not a full on post-punk album. It's listed under secondary genres. I'm not saying this to claim RYM and I are right. But what I am saying is that the voters on RYM have a better idea of genres than Discogs, Allmusic, Last.fm, and Wikipedia. I don't always agree with Rateyourmusi, but it seems like a pretty common opinion. So if I can imagine people sneering at me, I'd assume the same amount of people would probably back me up even if they disagreed on how I would define the genre.

JGuy Grungeman · 06-19-2016, 09:00 AM

As long as we're on the topic of post-punk and influence, I think Unknown Pleasures is a far better example than Pink Flag. The grand design of each layout greatly empowers the tidal wave of emotions that flows through the entire release, taking the punk influence and turning its anger into a kind of despair with a glimmer of hope. Ian Curtis sings like a gothic Marvin Lee Aday, which is ultimately perfect for this album. I'll admit. When I first heard this album, I trhought it was a bit overrated. "pretty good," really. I've never been that big on post-punk or gothic rock myself. But now I can see exactly how it uses its emotion to empower the music and vice versa. Fantastic album. Not voting this one of unless one of the albums I haven't heard yet manages to work its way on top.

I can't tell you how much the ziploc ad killed the vibe.

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06-18-2016, 06:45 PM	#177 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	OK, it's 95% likely I'm baiting myself, but I'm going to make a couple points. A: in no way have I ever claimed, or believed that I am a genre "expert." I'm just fascinated with the complications of defining them and the ambiguousness it gains from most people's interpretations of them. B: I don't consider Pink Flag post-punk for these reasons: Post-Punk has no time restriction and is focused on confusion and emotion, usually sadness/depression/loneliness, etc. 99% of Pink Flag gave me raw energy and proud anger, traits of regular punk. I indeed noticed traces of post-punk, and I admit it's one of the defining influences. But not enough for me to call it a full post-punk album. If you still think this is a dumb opinion, I'll listen to the whole list and then finish with Pink Flag. So that will be my project for the week: the post-punk list. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

06-18-2016, 09:32 PM	#179 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	I believe most people on RYM say it's not a full on post-punk album. It's listed under secondary genres. I'm not saying this to claim RYM and I are right. But what I am saying is that the voters on RYM have a better idea of genres than Discogs, Allmusic, Last.fm, and Wikipedia. I don't always agree with Rateyourmusi, but it seems like a pretty common opinion. So if I can imagine people sneering at me, I'd assume the same amount of people would probably back me up even if they disagreed on how I would define the genre. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me. Last edited by JGuy Grungeman; 06-18-2016 at 10:04 PM.

06-19-2016, 09:00 AM	#180 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	As long as we're on the topic of post-punk and influence, I think Unknown Pleasures is a far better example than Pink Flag. The grand design of each layout greatly empowers the tidal wave of emotions that flows through the entire release, taking the punk influence and turning its anger into a kind of despair with a glimmer of hope. Ian Curtis sings like a gothic Marvin Lee Aday, which is ultimately perfect for this album. I'll admit. When I first heard this album, I trhought it was a bit overrated. "pretty good," really. I've never been that big on post-punk or gothic rock myself. But now I can see exactly how it uses its emotion to empower the music and vice versa. Fantastic album. Not voting this one of unless one of the albums I haven't heard yet manages to work its way on top. I can't tell you how much the ziploc ad killed the vibe. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me. Last edited by JGuy Grungeman; 06-19-2016 at 09:21 AM.