Hitler's circle of evil music

~~MicShazam~~ · 03-09-2018, 03:58 PM

I'm not a big fan of punk to begin with and I feel a sort of visceral, emotional oppositon to Nazism (don't forget that Denmark was occupied by Germany during WWII), but I know that the music could be taken from a more netural stance, if one could only get over the lyrical content. Melodies and rhythms don't carry any political messages after all.

p310 · 03-09-2018, 03:59 PM

yeah it's kind of evil fun when a music video makes you want to puke

The Batlord · 03-09-2018, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

I'm not a big fan of punk to begin with and I feel a sort of visceral, emotional oppositon to Nazism (don't forget that Denmark was occupied by Germany during WWII), but I know that the music could be taken from a more netural stance, if one could only get over the lyrical content. Melodies and rhythms don't carry any political messages after all.

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yeah it's kind of evil fun when a music video makes you want to puke

I don't listen to a whole lot of bands in this style, because Jesus Christ are they just terrible to a level that makes juggalos look good, but there's just something about the anti-social nature of the music, the absence of almost everything that our society considers good and upright, that makes this music alien and compelling. There's a culture shock element that makes you sit upright and take notice of what you're listening to.

The Batlord · 03-09-2018, 04:10 PM

Also this is absolutely one of the greatest pop punk/melodic hardcore songs ever made. And it doesn't even have any overtly offensive lyrics. You could just pretend that it was the hardest song that Blink-182 ever made.

~~MicShazam~~ · 03-09-2018, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I don't listen to a whole lot of bands in this style, because Jesus Christ are they just terrible to a level that makes juggalos look good, but there's just something about the anti-social nature of the music, the absence of almost everything that our society considers good and upright, that makes this music alien and compelling. There's a culture shock element that makes you sit upright and take notice of what you're listening to.

Maybe that perspective is a bit like why I used to watch terrible conspiracy documentaries. I'd watch 3 hours docs on the new world order and such. Fascinating to see how deep that rabbit hole goes.

p310 · 03-09-2018, 04:19 PM

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I don't listen to a whole lot of bands in this style, because Jesus Christ are they just terrible to a level that makes juggalos look good, but there's just something about the anti-social nature of the music, the absence of almost everything that our society considers good and upright, that makes this music alien and compelling. There's a culture shock element that makes you sit upright and take notice of what you're listening to.

I just hope this is a cultural shock and it's alien. Let it forever be a cultural shock. Whatever curiosity you find there, I don't see it because my blood boils sooner.

J-pop is also alien and a cultural shock, not compelling at all.

~~MicShazam~~ · 03-09-2018, 04:26 PM

J-pop is really just pop, though. Apart from the language.

The Batlord · 03-09-2018, 04:28 PM

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I just hope this is a cultural shock and it's alien. Let it forever be a cultural shock. Whatever curiosity you find there, I don't see it because my blood boils sooner.

J-pop is also alien and a cultural shock, not compelling at all.

After a million documentaries and history classes on the Holocaust you kind of get numb to it. They're just stories or times past tbh. I've honestly felt more connection to the emotional side of that **** by listening to this music than I have in a long time, and while that hasn't been "shock, horror, revulsion" of concentration camps you do get more of an idea of the human side of the other side, you know? When the type of person who would believe in that **** stops being a boogeyman and starts becoming some ignorant goon from a racist punk song, or some guy you watched on an alt-right Youtube video, then you get a more engaging picture of just what the other side is about, which means more than just fifty year old pictures you can pretend are a relic of the past.

TBH the kind of person who would legitimately feel this **** is far more cringey than you'd think from being terrified of Hitler speeches. I think it's kind of important to remember that. Hitler was speeking to a very primitive part of human psychology, and no matter how "upliftingly" crazy the Nazis might have been, it's nice to remember that they were really just speaking to garden variety ignorance.

But there's definitely a theatricality to the whole thing that makes it entertaining to watch/listen to, whether it be old Nazi rallies or bargain basement neo-Nazi punk recordings.

**Frownland** · 03-09-2018, 04:33 PM

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I don't listen to a whole lot of bands in this style, because Jesus Christ are they just terrible to a level that makes juggalos look good, but I have terrible taste so it's cool.

Hence why I don't listen to any of your Nazi wank: it always sucks on a musical level. Idgaf about the lyrics and imagery tbh. I wouldn't be able to listen to power electronics if I did.

p310 · 03-09-2018, 04:43 PM

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After a million documentaries and history classes on the Holocaust you kind of get numb to it. They're just stories or times past tbh. I've honestly felt more connection to the emotional side of that **** by listening to this music than I have in a long time, and while that hasn't been "shock, horror, revulsion" of concentration camps you do get more of an idea of the human side of the other side, you know? When the type of person who would believe in that **** stops being a boogeyman and starts becoming some ignorant goon from a racist punk song, or some guy you watched on an alt-right Youtube video, then you get a more engaging picture of just what the other side is about, which means more than just fifty year old pictures you can pretend are a relic of the past.

TBH the kind of person who would legitimately feel this **** is far more cringey than you'd think from being terrified of Hitler speeches. I think it's kind of important to remember that. Hitler was speeking to a very primitive part of human psychology, and no matter how "upliftingly" crazy the Nazis might have been, it's nice to remember that they were really just speaking to garden variety ignorance.

But there's definitely a theatricality to the whole thing that makes it entertaining to watch/listen to, whether it be old Nazi rallies or bargain basement neo-Nazi punk recordings.

Very smart things. I agree with most of that, but then, when it comes to the views on nazism, I have a different perception. It's probably from where I live. There's a tombstone on the corner of my neighborhood in memory of a few thousand civilians murdered at that very spot. There's a rail station nearby that was used to transport a few hundred thousand people to death camps. When people ask me 'how old is this building?' I can easly answer 'probably like 50 years old at most cause everything, really everything was ruined'.

I'm a very liberal person but nazism is probably the one of two things that repulse me to my bones and stays outside of my zone of tolerance.

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~~MicShazam~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Aalborg Posts: 7,636	I'm not a big fan of punk to begin with and I feel a sort of visceral, emotional oppositon to Nazism (don't forget that Denmark was occupied by Germany during WWII), but I know that the music could be taken from a more netural stance, if one could only get over the lyrical content. Melodies and rhythms don't carry any political messages after all.

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