Justice : †
 

I have tried on four separate occasions to listen to this album. I still think it is awful. Sub-par Daft Punk filtered through a 14 year olds first experience with making music on his mac.

I am one of the few mods on here who likes Electronic dance music, so my opinion is not biased at all.I find no seperation in the tracks. No creativity or even an original take on old ideas. Some of it sounds like dodgy 80's synthesised film soundtracks that adorn badly dubbed Italian apocalyptic films.

I find it strange that a lot of people dissed the band DIGITALISM for being a sub par Daft Punk when I think this album is even worse than Idealism.

This album is great for gettin' pumped up for a night out. They are borrowing rather a lot from Daft Punk, but I don't care because I like it. Good fun stuff, basically everything Wayfarer said.

Also...they are phenomenally good live.

They are a lot better than Daft Punk. Punk might win for the singles, but hasn't had a single album as consistent as this one.

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are you ****ing serious? please tell me you're not. please tell me you're not serious.

Perhaps you could give reasons why you think this is wrong. This was the point of this forum in the first place.

Discovery is a veryyy consistent album throughout i think. Especially the first 4, One More Time, Aerodynamic, Digital Love and Harder Better Faster Stronger is a brilliant run of tracks.

Of what I heard, it sounded very good to me. I might download it sometime.

first of all, Cross only has two strong songs, "D.A.N.C.E." and "Waters of Nazareth"--in my opinion.

now let's look at Daft Punk's Discovery.

1. One More Time - great opener
2. Aerodynamic - very strong song, similar sounding to Harder Better
3. Digital Love - perhaps the weakest song on the album, mainly because it is a slower, mellow song that comes too early
4. Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger- duh, their most commercially successful song
5. Crescendolls - one of their most club worthy dance numbers
6. Nightvision - relatively weak, but what's to be expected of a filler interlude
7. Superheroes - heavy hitting dance number
8. High Life - strong song, not so much club oriented as personal listening
9. Something About Us - slow groove, serves as an interlude
10. Voyager - pretty generic house, one of the weaker tracks
11. Veridis Quo - truly great interlude track, with an awesome flute lead
12. Short Circuit - bangin club number, some 80's revival thrown in
13. Face to Face - i really like this song, especially the vocal chopping
14. Too Long - mandatory extended closer, does its job well as an outro

i doubt Justice will ever produce as solid an album as Discovery, not to mention Daft Punk's other great albums

I’m not even sure I understand your first sentence. You’re one of the few mods who likes EDM so magically your opinion is unbiased? Uh, no. It’s your opinion, it’s biased no matter what. It doesn’t even matter whether you like EDM or not (and most Justice fans don’t), either you like the album or you don’t.
As for them not having any creativity, with “Waters of Nazareth” and “We Are Your Friends” they pretty much single handedly created an entire sub-genre of electronic music. Their entire shtick is basically being a new take on French Touch, so yeah, I’d say even if you don’t think they’re very creative, you have to admit that what they’re doing with 90s French House is at least worth noting. Also, their biggest influences are guys like Giorgio Moroder and bad film soundtracks (they sample “Tenebre” on “Phantom”), so it isn’t really surprising that you get that vibe.

Digitalism sound more like DP than Justice, and it’s not like a lot of people don’t just see Justice as DP lite anyway. Idealism is ripping off pretty much all the best parts of Homework, which is such a recognizable album to even the most beginner of EDM fans, that it’s not at all surprising that a lot of people sort of overlooked Justice’s ripping off of DP. I mean, taking old disco samples and porn basslines and hitting the distort button isn’t really a Daft Punk trademark (at least not more so than it is the trademark of so many other EDM groups), but Idealism basically sounds like Homework 2.0.

This is ridiculous. DP hasn’t had an album as consistent? So Daft Punk never made Homework? Discovery? Even Human After All is starting to get more praise in the wake of Alive 2007.
Obviously I disagree with your assessment of Cross, and I would’ve talked about Homework myself.
I’d argue that up until Kanye sampled Harder, “One More Time” and “Around the World,” maybe even “Digital Love,” were at least more recognizable, if not more successful. Actually, looking at Wikipedia, One More Time peaked in the US at 61, and Harder only charter in the US on the club charts, although Wiki probably isn’t that reliable in this case (anyone know of Harder ever made it into the top 200 or whatever Billboard charts?)
Really? I don’t think Voyager is anymore generic than anything else on Discovery, and there’s really nothing wrong with some simple Chicago House.
I think producing an album on par with Discovery is a fairly simple task, especially for a group like Justice. A few more disco samples, some more Chicago influence, and they’ll basically be making Discovery all over again.
Anyway, I think Homework is a better choice of album for showcasing how amazing Daft Punk is. Discovery was good, but it’s only as good as the samples it uses. Honestly, I think pretty much any one song off Homework (yes, even WDPK 83.7, which has that amazing snippet of “Musique,” their best, and most underrated, song) is far better than anything on Discovery.

Well for one, it's not particularly important how well it did in Billboard (though no it didn't chart) - a measure of Daft Punk's most successful songs will naturally be based on how well they did on the whole around the world (no pun intended). With that said, their most successful song by a long long walk is One More Time. And it's also their most commercial song. And, imo, their absolute best song. After that, Around The World and even Da Funk were more commercially successful than Harder.

And yeah, Homework is considerably better than Discovery and actually everything else they've ever done.

Virtually all the mods on here do not like EDM, which is not a criticism just a fact so my dissing of the album is not blindly based on not having a smidgen of knowledge in the dance music area.

What is annoying is that you cannot seem to believe that someone does not like this album and in fact I hate it. YOU may not see a DP connection, but I personally do. I do not exclusively listen to dance music but that certainly does'nt mean that my opinion is'nt as valid as yours. I listened to the album on a musical level and I found it severly lacking. Hey-it's just an opinion.

My favourite band is Pink Floyd and there are many posts on here that proclaim their dislike of the band. I don't pull them up on it. It's their opinion. If they get a certain fact wrong then I will mention it but otherwise I dont reply.

There is no doubt that you know a hell of a lot more about me concerning dance music but I know a shit load about music in general and my opinion is as good as anyone elses.

First you say this.

Then you say this. So which is it, is the opinion of someone with "a smidgen of knowledge" about EDM "as good as anyone elses" or not?


I don't have a problem believing that people dislike this album, lots of people hate it. I just think that you reasoning for disliking it, complaining about it sounding like DP, then naming another band who sound even MORE like them as better, doesn't really make much sense. Then you complain that they're not very creative, but I mean, I hate Pink Floyd and even I'll admit that they are a creative band.

Sorry that I like to discuss things rather than just agree with whatever everyone else says? If someone gets "a certain fact wrong" or argues that a band you like isn't very good, you should argue back.

I think Digitalism are not very good either but they have been ragged on no end for basically plagarising a sound yet I can hear it in Justice too. Yes my opinion is as good as anyone elses.

Why should I argue back if someone does'nt like a band I love? That is wasted energy as far as i'm concerned and I am getting something out of the music that they are not. I don't agree with many opinions on here but if someone has made their mind up, it is not my duty to change their mind.

Your original thread on Justice opened with :Anyone who doesn't love Justice can just go to hell which of course is meant as tongue in cheek but it is obvious that you love this band highly so any negative comments will be vociferously retorted. I have never said that you are wrong for your love of this band. I have said what I think is wrong with the band (whether you think I am right or wrong) and that's that. An opinion of a band that does nothing whatsoever for me.

Because that's the whole point of discussion, or do you think MB would be fun with everyone just agreeing with each other all the time?

First off, you'll notice that thread was made long before all the Justice backlash that came along with them getting popular and everyone talking **** about all the time, so yes, my first sentence was just a joke. It was more of a "this band rules this much" type statement than an attack on anyone who didn't like them. Second, I'll defend any band I like. Third, what's the point of giving your opinion and then not saying anything else about it? Giving an opinion and then saying "that's that" is even more pointless than arguing, because at least an argument gets some discussion going.

I know your first sentence was a personal joke. Did I not say that before it was common knowledge?

2) I will defend any band I like..and so you should but if you disregard other peoples opinions then the world changes for the worse.

3) I will provide an argument to your last point. Justice are fecking awful. am I right? It's all opinion.

I don't disregard people's opinions, but aren't you the one that said that opinions aren't going to change anyone's else's?

No, I don't think you're right, and that's why I'm arguing with you.

Well moving away from this... Justice's Best tracks on there, personally, are D.A.N.C.E., DVNO, and Phantom II. These three songs are good, but c'mon, Daft Punk has put out much better stuff than they have on Discovery alone, like it was said, and that wasn't even their best album.

But ignoring that, I'm quite interested to see what these guys put out in the future.

Oh and moving slightly off topic, has anyone ever heard them called post-daft punk? I've heard someone drop this and was a little perturbed.

maybe i shouldn't have said commercially successful. i should have said recognized, and in the US. i just feell like Harder is their most recognized song since it was featured on one of the original iPod ads. i have no empirical evidence to back this up; just my opinion.


concerning daft punk: i've always liked Discovery the best. the only songs i listen to off of Homeework are "aroudn the world," "da funk," and "rock n' roll" (oneof my favorite daft punk songs). i even like Human After All way more than Homework; i've enver understood why people didn't care for it (that is really their strongest album imo, although ti does only have 10 songs).

i couldn't care less if justice sounds like daft punk. same goes for digitalism. i dont care for justice, that's all. digitalism are alright but rather bland (only songs off idealism i will put on are "magnets" "idealistic" and "pogo".

i like having expletive around to talk edm with, even if i am a relative newb when it comes to it. also even if we disagree on ****

if justice invented electro-house as expletive claims, i thakn them for that. however, at this point in time, i feel like there are tons of other producers, duos, djs, and bands doing it much, much better. just because a band pioneers a genre doesn't mean they're the best at it

So you're a "newb" now eh? All of a sudden so humble! Previously you were a self-styled expert ;)

only in context to expletive

Whaaaat. Homework rules. C'mon, you can't even argue that it isn't the best thing they've done by far. I'll admit that a couple songs in the middle are sort of skippable (High Fidelity, maybe Phoenix & Fresh, they're all pretty standard House tracks), but how can you claim that an album that opens with "Daftendirekt" and ends with "Alive" isn't worth listening to all the way through? Homework ftw.

Also I don't think Justice is making the best Electro House. The Institubes guys are doing things far more interesting (even if they all seem to have found out about dance music in the 90s all at the same time), not to mention all the Dubsided Fidget House guys putting their own spin on it, etc.

At any rate, CROSS is much better than any DP album by a cake walk. Even Homework is plagued with crappy filler. Hell, even Muscles is better than DP in terms of innovation and hooks.

Lulz. Dude...don't even go there...

Incidentally, Attack Decay Sustain Release >>> Cross...

Agreed, and Simian Mobile Disco are also better than Daft Punk

i agree that SMD are better than Justice, but no way they're better than DP


also, none of these bands would be around if not for DP

Who cares? Even if that is true (there's little certainty that it is), then as has been established before, merely being the first doesn't by any means make you the best.

I'd say I like both Justice and SMD better than DP, but I can't say they're better with just one album under their belt. Let's wait a while and see what their output will be like. DP's is pretty impressive...

DVNO is amazing. The rest of this album is just ****ing BORING.

You must ****ing joking.

no, he's just really dumb

Or maybe I have an opinion that doesn't involve either conforming to some mass view or trying to be smart/show off! Ever think of that?

Dude, contribute something useful. Even go round flashing your genre "prowess" (loz). At least that's actually funny, the comedy value more than redeems your shortfalls. But by insulting me you're just useless either way.

It sounds to me like you're the one making controversial statements just to show off. I'm sorry, but the majority of the posts I've seen you make have been so blatantly ignorant, it's a wonder you can even accuse enemyatthesix of "flashing his genre 'prowess'" with a straight face.

I rarely make controversial statements anywhere, most of what I write is in the domain of unoffensive and quite serious opinion.

So I had a few jokes earlier on in the year. You're not referring to those anyway, but to what transpired in the Muscles thread which is the only place that we have really crossed paths.

For the sake of peace, I agree that Muscles is clearly nothing compared to DP and meant that in jest (:)). I do much prefer Justice to DP though.

And yes, the way aforementioned individual flashes OMG-A-NEW-GENRE-NAME-WAS-COINED-YESTERDAY-AND-I-KNOW-IT!!!111 genre names all over the place is comical beyond words, but frankly I don't mind, it makes me smile. Peace.

So you simply cannot accept a polar opposite opinion then? Hmmm.

The one thing I hate more than anything is when someone doesn't want to have an argument because they think people shouldn't argue about opinions. Well what the **** else are you going to argue about? Facts? I'm not telling you that you shouldn't have your own opinion, I just shouldn't have to accept it.

Arguments are essential to any discussion.

OK. Why can't you accept it? That smacks of egotism.

What do you mean why can't I accept it? Why would I ever accept an opinion that I don't agree with?

If you dont accept my opinion..why are you worrying about it?

dis·cus·sion
an act or instance of discussing; consideration or examination by argument, comment, etc., esp. to explore solutions; informal debate.