Eminem - Revival

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I know a lot of people really into film that like those kinds of movies. Buttress comes to mind. Same with music. You're assuming that people who listen to popular music, which I know is designed to be simpler, catchier, etc. (typically) don't have anything better to compare it to, or that you require a better understanding of music and musical theory to understand that it's crap or something. No, that's not true. That is exactly what I'm talking about, you tell yourself that to feel validated in your own opinion.

BECAUSE MANY GODDAMNED TYPES OF MUSIC FANS, DUMBASSES AND GENIUSES, CAN APPRECIATE IT, BUT NOT ALWAYS ARE YOU THIS DUMB? ****l

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Terrible analogy, musical taste is a useless opinion while the opinion on what you should put into your body actually matters much more.

It's dumb as **** which is as good of a response as your ****ty opinion deserves.

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by elphenor

I didn't assume any of those things and I'm well aware people can like vapid art for any arbitrary reason

You actually did.

'If you're someone really into film you will probably be bored by a Transformers movie"

Is that not an assumption?

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

BECAUSE MANY GODDAMNED TYPES OF MUSIC FANS, DUMBASSES AND GENIUSES, CAN APPRECIATE IT, BUT NOT ALWAYS ARE YOU THIS DUMB? ****l

You mad bro? Why is it hard to accept the truth? Do you NEED to believe that popularity has no merit at all because they CAN have fans that don't reach your standard of art appreciation?

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by elphenor

that's not the assumption you accused me of

which was more like "no one with good tastes could like something popular"

That's your basic implication. It's more like they can't like something poppy, or simple. According to your assumptions. And that popular music is made to be that way. And you think it follows more of a formula than your music. You've implied that many times too.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

You mad bro? Why is it hard to accept the truth? Do you NEED to believe that popularity has no merit at all because they CAN have fans that don't reach your standard of art appreciation?

Are you reading my posts? Again: Popularity is neither here nor there unless you go deeper with it at which point it's too surface level to even bring up.

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Are you reading my posts? Popularity is neither here nor there unless you go deeper with it.

Yeah, and I agreed with that. The biggest question would be why is it popular? Initially, if something retains popularity, it has a good reason why. I think we both agree. And it's useless to bring up in personal opinions, we both agree.

Okay, but where you get lost is where I disagree with popular opinions being almost meaningless because you think certain types of fans are musical morons for not living up to your standard of musical appreciation. And you think they can make big enough of a bulk of any fan base to completely dismiss it.

Edit: And I think that statement tries to make it objective and if you want to make it objective I think musical opinion belongs to the masses. Maybe not on something as easily measured as technical ability or something like that, but just on the basic idea of what is good music.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Yeah, and I agreed with that. The biggest question would be why is it popular? Initially, if something retains popularity, it has a good reason why. I think we both agree. And it's useless to bring up in personal opinions, we both agree.

I still wouldn't say that the bolded is true, that's just a straight up fallacy. I can't get behind that. There's a degree of truth to the amount of people liking an artist, but like I said: you have to go deeper than popularity if you're going to be using it as a source of validation.

Okay, but where you get lost is where I disagree with popular opinions being almost meaningless because you think certain types of fans are musical morons for not living up to your standard of musical appreciation. And you think they can make big enough of a bulk of any fan base to completely dismiss it.

Nope. Popularity has been awarded to a wide variety of artists for a wide variety of reasons, which means that it is not consistent across artists...are you reading my posts? It's useful as a sidenote and a sidenote only. If you value it differently, don't impose that dumb **** on me. Give me actual qualities of the music if you want to go toe to toe about an album. Your buddies don't know ****. I mean have you met people? They're ****ing idiots. I prefer my idiotic thoughts to theirs any day and you're an idiot if you don't think the same about your own opinions.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Edit: And I think that statement tries to make it objective and if you want to make it objective I think musical opinion belongs to the masses. Maybe not on something as easily measured as technical ability or something like that, but just on the basic idea of what is good music.

Do you also feel this way about science?

I stopped talking about Eminiem a long time ago btw.

[[MERIT]]

How 'bout that Eminem kid and his music, huh?