Oomph!

I can't believe you devalue the significance of emotion in music and then criticize (just sentances later) my appreciation of art.

There are allot of different purposes for music, something needs to be played in an elevator to relieve (at least a little bit) the generally stale atmosphere at a hotel of bussiness office. But I wouldn't value elevator music on the same level as music that inspires feeling and emotion.

Oh yes, passionate meaningful music is such a small, insignificant subset of music, totally.



Puh-lease

Except the part where I was raised listening to the Beatles by the biggest Beatles fan on Earth.

I am listening to Godsmack, they actually put passion and meaning into thier music which is why I like them so much. You can go listen to your little teeny bop "I want to hold your hand" Bullshit fine, but I have more significant movements in my bowels than listening to lame pop music.

Rainard Jalen

I didn't devalue it. Read again. I will not be lured into re-explaining myself each time somebody fails to digest a simple sentence.

How about the other things I mentioned? Humour, fun, wit, philosophy, satire, narration/storytelling, politics... all equally valid purposes for music. None of which necessarily need to inspire feeling or emotion in order to be done well.

Not insignificance (stop putting words in my mouth already, it makes you look foolish!), but a subset all the same. Like I said, music is not necessarily supposed to be "passionate and meaningful" - that's just one possibility for what music could be. It's not of any greater artistic value than music made in order to be fun and witty.

And yet you seem to know virtually nothing about their lyrical content to the point that you exposed yourself by making that incredibly ignorant statement about the extent of their use of psychedelia.

It is true that the earliest Beatles stuff from '63 were lyrically speaking quite simple love songs. What I will say is that all of those songs express a lot more in terms of REAL human sentiment and things that matter to most REAL people than anything at all in the entire Godsmack catalogue - to say nothing of what the Beatles did later on. How about that, eh?



EDIT: I could go even further and tell you that Godsmack is actually complete corporate garbage. They're a major label band aimed at a certain niche market of angst ridden adolescents who are likely to find it deep and profound. At the root however, you find that lyrically they deal with the most hackneyed and cliched themes that exist period in popular culture and have nothing unique to say at all. Mass marketed exploitative rubbish.

Oomph!

You criticized my high amount of value for it, so yes in essense you did devalue it.

Rare. Even the funniest songs I've heard doesn't remotely compete with standup comedians and comedy movies/

I have fun listening to passionate music.

hmmm....

If the sound itself isn't passionate or raw, then they might as well speak thier philosophy or write in down as a book.

Sometimes but that goes along with humor.

Uninteresting, just tell me the damned story or act it out or something.

If they are using music as a platform for politics, unless they put some passion into the sound they might as well just perform a speech.

Expressing feelings, emotion and passion with sound is the primary function of music.

You said small, which is closely synonymous with insignificant , and it isn't true either way, passion and emotion is an enormous facet of music.

Like I said, we ned something to play in the background of commercials.

More matter less art please.

Oh now the Beatle's artistic merit is greater than godsmack because of it's realism? What's wrong with exaggeration and hyperbole in art? It's about expression, and the more exaggerated it is the more effective it is (generally)

We use art as a facet to escape reallity, especialy in the case of music, to get away from it all.

Godsmack wasn't/isn't extremely popular, they aren't putting in effort to make machine generated chart music. They have produced 4 full albums and an acoustic EP since they began in 96, thier last album in 06. 10 years for 4 albums, they are obviously putting effort into thier albums.The only time I've ever heard Godsmack outside thier albums was a few years ago they let the Marines use the begining of the song 'Awake' for one of thier commercials.

Thier music videos are played on MTV2 or VH1 at 2:00am, you never see them being plugged and commercialized by mainstream TV or radio, they obviously aren't some corporate band, let's get real now.

At the root however, you find that lyrically they deal with the most hackneyed and cliched themes that exist period in popular culture and have nothing unique to say at all. Mass marketed exploitative rubbish.[/QUOTE]

Yeah like Wicca, reincarnation, drug rehabilitation, religous constriction, a song about a man who's wife and child died, cookiecutter bullshit I know.

Rainard Jalen

All discussed a billion times before and VERY popular niche topics in popular culture. Among the most hackneyed and cliched pseudo-intellectual themes that exist. The only reasons Godsmack and other such bands use these themes are that:

1: As artists they lack in imagination and conceptual capacity themselves,
2: They know their audience will latch onto those sorts of themes and feel they are not only angst ridden adolescents, but intellectual and sophisticated angst ridden adolescents.

Congratulations on being taken in by all these shallow veneers, Oomph. You're a real true livin' breathin' bona fied cog in the system, mate!

Oh, and the emotion's all affected, too. Which makes matters even worse.

ProggyMan

I thought Godsmack made deep, meaningful music?

enemyat_thesix

if pop is the most commercially successful style of music, one could argue it is most appealing. perhaps most people don't care about artistic merit when it comes to music

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Oomph!

It is the most appealing style of music, that doesn't make it good. Look how appealing and popular cigarettes are, doesn't make it good.

That's the problem.

sleepy jack

Obviously you don't either. You listen to generic nu-metal.

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Dr_Rez

I dont think theres anything wrong with that, as long as its not all he listens to and he realizes that it is not new or inventive, and is almost always feeding off teenage angst.

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sleepy jack

I never said there was anything wrong with it. I just said he shouldn't bitch about people not liking credible music when the music he likes is generic music made for angsty suburban kids who think their life sucks.

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