Oomph!

I guess Rage Against the Machine is even more corporate than Oomph if we are judging based on merchandise

Rage Against the Machine RATM Merchandise, t-shirts, tees, tee shirts, posters, patches, stickers, memorabilia, RAGE
Rage Against the Machine Merchandise
MAM Store Merchandising - Official Band T-Shirts And Merchandise.

sleepy jack

I don't think anyone has even argued that RATM isn't a bunch of corporate whores. In fact I don't even like RATM and I'm not so sure if Urban and Rainard do either.

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Rainard Jalen

Kid A: Burger King are clearly a corporate entertprise.

Oomph: No they're not!

Kid A: Of course they are, you find ads for them like everywhere you freakin' look, dude.

Oomph (thinking really hard, scratching his head): Yeah, well guess what, McDonalds are even MORE corporate than Burger King are. So there!



"Intelligent debate and critical analysis", eh? Suuuurrrreeeee.

Oomph!

That isn't the point I was trying to make you are all wrong. Terrible metaphor/analysis

Rainard Jalen

It is exactly the point you were trying to make. You bring up some other band, also coincidentally signed to Sony (lozzles!), and point out that they have merchandize too. Well guess what, A: nobody mentioned RATM in the first place. B: RATM are a load of steaming stinking horse excrement like Oomph are. C: all you proved is that RATM are even more of a corporate enterprise than Oomph.

Supporting leftist causes while being signed to Epic. L.M.F.A.O

Oomph!

No the point I was trying to make is that merchandise does not make mean a band is compromising thier music, I used RATM because I thought they generally symbolised anti-corporate leftism and all that, I didn't really know you guys didn't think that way of them so that was my only mistake, but non-the-less, you're wrong about my arguments principal.

Yes they did.

That's not even a point. I don't care about RATM I'm not a fan of thiers and I'm not familiar with them that much...

Again, I'm not defending RATM.

Rainard Jalen

I know full well why you brought up RATM. Yes, they did claim to symbolize anti-corporate leftism. Which seems fairly at odds with being signed to Epic, a subsidiary of SONY RECORDS.

It's all image, mate. If you buy into it, you're a sucker. And apparently, you have. Any band signed to a major label CANNOT POSSIBLY be anti-corporate, that's about as much of a paradox as you can get. Anybody serious about being anti-corporate and against the system would be with a tiny underground label and "staying real" so to speak - or alternatively, no label at all.

Furthermore, if Oomph were with a tiny label I guarantee you would probably have never heard of them at least not prior to the myspace digital era. I'll guarantee as a certainty one thing, anyway: it may not be possible, but if you were to go down the chain of links that it took to finally reach you, you'd eventually inevitably come across somebody or something which was reached via their corporate label marketing prowess. No freakin' doubt about it.

Oomph!

No, you don't.

I don't really care I'm not defending RATM

And Oomph isn't promoting an image, nor are they promoting a cause or political movement. They are creating thier music completely with artistic integrity and genuity. There is nothing misleading about thier music people don't listen to 'Oomph' to symbolize a political cause or some image, people listen to oomph because they ENJOY THIER MUSIC.

Want to know how I found Oomph? A few years ago I was about 13, I just started listening to Metal. I was on wikipedia looking at different bands, I started with Metallica, at some point I found a NIN song on limewire that I liked but it was actually a mislabeled Rammstein song. So I liked this 'industrial metal' stuff and looked up rammstein on wiki, it said somewhere on thier page that one of thier biggest inspirations was 'oomph', so I downloaded a few of thier songs and fell in love with them.

I didn't fall in love with an image, a political badge or whatever, I just onestly love thier music.

Oomph isn't 'anti-corporate', anti-corporate is a political badge, Oomph has nothing of the sort. They aren't pro-corporate, anti-corporate, they are purely artistic expression.

I might have (see above)

That doesn't mean the band is a sell out, you are essentially implying that there is no such thing as a band that isn't corporate sell out, except bands I've never heard of. You don't think any moderately popular bands aren't sell outs just because they are signed to a record label?