Lady Gaga

FETCHER. · 05-09-2010, 04:02 PM

Perhaps Perhaps, maybe music is her way in, trying to concur porn unsuccessfully?

Astronomer · 05-09-2010, 04:44 PM

I don't think it's anything to do with "Oh look at me, I'm weird and freaky and wear very little clothes, so you should listen to my music!" Sexuality and sexiness are a huge part of Gaga's music and performances, so what she wears and how she portrays herself reflect this. She obviously draws influence from the burlesque genre, as well as glam rock figures such as Freddie Mercury, even David Bowie, as well as pop music artists like as Madonna and Michael Jackson. Yes, a lot of pop artists show a lot of skin but if we criticise them for wearing whatever they like, isn't that a step backwards in equal rights? Like when women were criticised for wearing skirts above the knee? Plus, at least Lady Gaga does it in a creative way and does not outwardly try to be attractive, but weird and controversial and freaky instead. Music is only one part of her performances which really include art, fashion, technology and controversy as well. Yes her music is, as Big3 described it, unabashed materialistic pop - but isn't all art real art, or is pop art not? And if someone talented wants to make pop music, what's the problem?

iron9567 · 05-09-2010, 04:47 PM

I understand she does it all as a gimmick towards her career. But to me it should be all about the music. If you have to go to extreme measures to get people to listen to your music. Then you may have to rethink your choice in career. It should be about the music and nothing but the music. just my opinion anyways,

VEGANGELICA · 05-09-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lateralus

Yes, a lot of pop artists show a lot of skin but if we criticise them for wearing whatever they like, isn't that a step backwards in equal rights? Like when women were criticised for wearing skirts above the knee? Plus, at least Lady Gaga does it in a creative way and does not outwardly try to be attractive, but weird and controversial and freaky instead. Music is only one part of her performances which really include art, fashion, technology and controversy as well. Yes her music is, as Big3 described it, unabashed materialistic pop - but isn't all art real art, or is pop art not? And if someone talented wants to make pop music, what's the problem?

I agree with all you say. Expressions of sexuality by women are a way to assert their rights to be sexual beings no less constrained than men. Opposite of Gaga: Burka.

People generally still seem to be uncomfortable with women showing overt sexuality because culture still views women as "good" vs. "bad" based on whether they appear or are sexual. I am glad when people like Lady Gaga do whatever they want with their own bodies and challenge the view that a woman who is sexual in appearance is somehow bad, slutty, promiscuous, etc.

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Originally Posted by iron9567

I understand she does it all as a gimmick towards her career. But to me it should be all about the music. If you have to go to extreme measures to get people to listen to your music. Then you may have to rethink your choice in career. It should be about the music and nothing but the music. just my opinion anyways,

I think rarely is a performer's music just about the music, divorced from the person who creates it. I'd much prefer to know about both the person and the music than just the music alone.

Astronomer · 05-09-2010, 04:57 PM

In reply to iron9567 - That's fair enough, but in the case of Lady Gaga it is NOT all about the music, it is an all round performance that incorporates a variety of different mediums.

Can I also just say that a lot of females (and males) in other genres such as rock music wear very little or very controversial/ revealing clothes but they don't get criticised nearly as much simply because they're not in pop music.

iron9567 · 05-09-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lateralus

In reply to iron9567 - That's fair enough, but in the case of Lady Gaga it is NOT all about the music, it is an all round performance that incorporates a variety of different mediums.

Can I also just say that a lot of females (and males) in other genres such as rock music wear very little or very controversial/ revealing clothes but they don't get criticized nearly as much simply because they're not in pop music.

I don't mind if the person is putting on a good performance with the music. That just means you are getting moneys worth. I just like the music more then the all around performance show. But that's just my preference towards the subject.

I agree that a lot of female and male artist outside of pop don't get criticized as the ones in the pop genre does. Don't like this trend so that's why I don't pay it any mind. This way I'm one less person feeding the flame they keep trying to feed us.
Just my opinion anyways,

The Butcher · 05-09-2010, 08:10 PM

I guess she is good to listen to when you're bored,other than that she is not too great.

Scissorman · 05-11-2010, 03:26 AM

OH MY GOD!

Mojo · 05-11-2010, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Lateralus

In reply to iron9567 - That's fair enough, but in the case of Lady Gaga it is NOT all about the music, it is an all round performance that incorporates a variety of different mediums.

Can I also just say that a lot of females (and males) in other genres such as rock music wear very little or very controversial/ revealing clothes but they don't get criticised nearly as much simply because they're not in pop music.

I agree with your stance to an extent. Some artists and bands do genuinely benefit from the stage show, the gimmick and everything that goes with it and when its done properly it can add to the overall experience.

However I think sometimes these things help to distract one from the music and ive always asked the same questions when it comes to things like this which is why we would want to be distracted from the music and is there a reason for that?

I thought that when i went to see Slipknot and couldnt help but wonder if the reason they have a gimmick and a stage show is to help distract me. Yeah the music is turd but look, his drums go up and down!

I had a similar experience with Marilyn Manson. Id heard so much about their stage show and so i watched them at a festival out of curiosity and after about 3/4 of the set was convinced enough that the stage show was flashy and impressive but it made the music no better whatsoever. I gave them the V's and went to watch another band.

Maybe im just not educated enough in the ways of Lady Gaga and WHY her stage shows are so key and so vital but i have to admit that so far all i can see are gimmicks and distractions. I dont see a connection between her and the music in that way.

Also id agree that pop stars are more heavily criticised but thats because they are in the mainstream and people know who they are. You dont have to have an interest in music to know who pop stars are. I think it also has alot to do with WHY you do the things you do and WHY you wear the things you wear. Theres alot of money to be made in pop stars showing skin. It may be smart if you want to make a quick buck, but you will invite criticism for that decision.

Dr_Rez · 05-11-2010, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

I thought that when i went to see Slipknot and couldnt help but wonder if the reason they have a gimmick and a stage show is to help distract me. Yeah the music is turd but look, his drums go up and down!

I agree there music is turd but Joey J is one talented dude. He plays 10x better than most while upside down.

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05-09-2010, 04:44 PM	#1082 (permalink)
Astronomer we are stardust Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,894	I don't think it's anything to do with "Oh look at me, I'm weird and freaky and wear very little clothes, so you should listen to my music!" Sexuality and sexiness are a huge part of Gaga's music and performances, so what she wears and how she portrays herself reflect this. She obviously draws influence from the burlesque genre, as well as glam rock figures such as Freddie Mercury, even David Bowie, as well as pop music artists like as Madonna and Michael Jackson. Yes, a lot of pop artists show a lot of skin but if we criticise them for wearing whatever they like, isn't that a step backwards in equal rights? Like when women were criticised for wearing skirts above the knee? Plus, at least Lady Gaga does it in a creative way and does not outwardly try to be attractive, but weird and controversial and freaky instead. Music is only one part of her performances which really include art, fashion, technology and controversy as well. Yes her music is, as Big3 described it, unabashed materialistic pop - but isn't all art real art, or is pop art not? And if someone talented wants to make pop music, what's the problem? __________________

05-09-2010, 04:47 PM	#1083 (permalink)
iron9567 musicbanter peeping tom Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 74	I understand she does it all as a gimmick towards her career. But to me it should be all about the music. If you have to go to extreme measures to get people to listen to your music. Then you may have to rethink your choice in career. It should be about the music and nothing but the music. just my opinion anyways, __________________ thanks The iron man I don't want to change the world. I just want to make the world colder then the day I came.

05-09-2010, 04:57 PM	#1085 (permalink)
Astronomer we are stardust Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,894	In reply to iron9567 - That's fair enough, but in the case of Lady Gaga it is NOT all about the music, it is an all round performance that incorporates a variety of different mediums. Can I also just say that a lot of females (and males) in other genres such as rock music wear very little or very controversial/ revealing clothes but they don't get criticised nearly as much simply because they're not in pop music. __________________

05-11-2010, 03:26 AM	#1088 (permalink)
Scissorman art is sold for money Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 730	OH MY GOD! __________________ facebook Last.fm The Music I make http://www.indabamusic.com/opportuni...missions/52856

05-09-2010, 08:10 PM	#1087 (permalink)
The Butcher Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 66	I guess she is good to listen to when you're bored,other than that she is not too great.