Originally Posted by Consolator

I wanted to be done with this on the previous page, but a bunch of people replied and felt the need to add again. No one is forcing you to read this thread, you know. And since you don't like Ke$ha, and have already stated that you don't like her, makes me wonder why you bother replying to me. If there has really been lots of these debates, you should know that they all end in a big mess of nothing.

And in regards to your question, Tumor actually summed it up quite eloquently on a few posts ago. So maybe it's time for a subject change, since I don't think any of us are going to change our mind about the whole thing.


Ke$ha said she wants to make a country album in the future, as it's the genre she grew up around the most. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

I may be misinterpreting your reply, but what I meant was that I'm genuinely at a loss as to how someone can be annoyed by music they aren't being forced to listen to.

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Should they be annoyed even if they have to listen to it?

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Whats forced though? If its on at work? Tons of terrible songs, that many of the posters here masturbate to, both the **** out of me. If anything, the hardcore music fans are far more irritating than your average pop fan. A pop fan who likely doesn't have nearly the same infatuation with the music they just want to sing along to or dance to.

What most complain about is tweens/teens who are looking for some cultural movement to cling onto so they have a direction to take their life in. Even if these false idols are simply attractive. But when you boil it down like this, you realize these one-post wonder with all their teen angst (which is equally infantile) are simply pissy that teenagers are trying to figure out who they are and they do so through music. Music that arguably has little merit, but has high value in creating social networks for people.

I have almost no respect for these people as they refuse to admit that this music has value for other people. Its both an ignorant and short-sighted world view. As you've said, no ones forced to listen to this music, so whats the problem? I think they won't admit it, but hating this music with the volume they do is their own cultural grip-bar; something to hang onto to bond them to other people.

I'm fine with both, but go post somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Agreed.
Excellent point about the cultural grip-bar. I guess there might be some functionality in it, but I don't even see the need for it. I guess it's because I've grown up and no longer care about fitting into a group, much less a particular anti-music ideal.
I don't understand why it's so hard for people to just ignore things they don't like. I could venture to say that I wouldn't like most of what plays on MTV, and I'm fine with that... but I'm not going to go and watch MTV 24 hours a day then endlessly complain that there's nothing but crap on it. It's like the kid who puts his hand on a hot stove, burns it, and keeps doing it because he likes to cry and enjoys the attention.

Also, I couldn't give less of a damn about what values pop fans may or may not have regarding their music taste. Why should I be concerned about that? People that complain about the state of a demographic regarding music taste and tendencies, that they don't even care for to begin with, are what's annoying. There is no off button or tuner dial on people's mouths.

Originally Posted by Consolator

It really depends on your music taste. I'm a big fan of dance music as well as electronic music, so I can tolerate most of what the radio plays. Beiber does poppy stuff, I gave his album a listen and Baby was the only song I liked. I loathed Ke$ha and Lady Gaga when I heard their first singles. Ke$ha grew on me after Your Love Is My Drug, and I realized that Gaga isn't a talentless whore aftering looking up her live acoustic performances (well, she is a whore, but a supremely talented whore, I shouldn't be one to judge.) And I fell head over heels in love with Gaga's second album, which is a mix of industrial dance music and pop music that isn't so lyrically shallow like her first album.

I listen to the mainstream pop radios on my lengthy commute to University everyday, though if my car had a CD player, I'd probably never listen to the radio. The lame commercials annoy me much more than the actual music. I generally check out radio artist's CD's when they're released, just to make sure I'm not missing some random gem of a song.

Edit, response to the previous post: Did you not read the previous page at all? You're right, I have not been here for long, but you have to understand from the point of a newcomer, the comments on the previous page were (at the very least) giving off the impression that you all were bitter elitist peeps who were anti-mainstream. "I've evolved past the radio and proud to say that I don't listen to it." What kind of crap is that? That is the EXACT same thing that the snooty little hipsters I knew would say, thinking they're the absolute **** because they're listening to some band that no one knows, and aren't "conforming" to the radio. If that's what gives you an ego boost, fine.

I have absolutely no problem with someone wanting to listen to music with more substance than pop music. I thought I pointed that out in one of my last posts. In fact, it disappoints me that a lot of pop music today revolves around partying/sex/alcohol/whatever. I could give you a long list of the things that I wish were different about pop music. That isn't what this is about though. This is about people generalizing and making blatant assumptions about something they haven't heard. I loathe most food, but am willing to try everything that's handed to me once. I guess it comes down to nothing more than opposing viewpoints. I may not like a lot of pop songs I hear, but there are always a few that I end up really liking. To me, it's worth the time going through and finding my favorites. To you, it may not be, and that's fine -- it's the **** attitude towards popular things I don't like.

Originally Posted by Dr.Seussicide

Honestly, it quite sounds like you're the narrow minded with respect to music. And as has been said before, why listen to an album where the singles off of it are complete and utter rubbish, but catchy if at all anything. It's nonsensical and counter-productive to engage in that type of behaviour. And what's this about evolving past the radio? Stupid statement to make at any rate. Finding music you love on your own makes listening to it all the more worth it in my opinion, instead of just droning out and listening to whatever you're hearing at the moment and taking it with a smile on your face, then think..."Wait, this song... it isn't good. Maybe I should give the rest of that person's album a listen." Besides, why waste time on music like that when I can listen to something beautiful like this?



And give Pet Sounds a listen, seeing as your such a pop music enthusiast.