Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1082349)

I think you guys are trying to umbrella too much stuff together: "Pop" can refer to anything repetitive and simplistic, but that's not necessarily the same as a band/artist having good "pop sensibility".

Take bands like 10cc, Gentle Giant, It Bites, or Gentle Giant for instance: they'd do commericial length/commercially viable music and infuse that music with multiple time changes, eclectic instrumentation, dissonance and sometimes fairly complex lyrics...and often succeed in bringing all these seemingly incompatible elements together with flourish.

Pop, my friends, is only limited by what you perceive it to be. The longer you keep your ear to the ground, the more likely you'll be to run across music that contradicts common definition.

Originally Posted by starrynight (Post 1082345)

I agree. But maybe more parents enjoyed disco in the 70s for example than enjoy Lady Gaga now. Anyway I said more and not most.

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1082439)

that's why I'm saying I disagree, it's probably about the same equal level of hatred/distaste.

I dont' think parents enjoyed disco in the 70s, sure my current parents enjoyed disco back in the 70s that's because they were the young rebels. Their parents most likely hated disco with a burning passion.

Originally Posted by starrynight (Post 1082515)

Grandparents probably didn't like it so much but I was more thinking about people slightly younger but still an older age group than teens.

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1082537)

this is my whole point, the generation gap, it would have been equal/the same.

people that are slightly older than teen range love Lady Gaga and pop music in general especially since they grew up during the whole backstreet boys/Britney popstars time period.

Originally Posted by starrynight (Post 1082542)

I mean more 30s 40s.

Originally Posted by starrynight (Post 1082315)

Arguably most music is made for the love of it. Most music I think is made with an audience in mind, whether that be a large or small one. And something that isn't chart music isn't mainstream in the conventional sense? Young people certainly tend to be the main focus for chart music, but sometimes in the past maybe more older groups could enjoy chart music as well, nowadays perhaps less so.

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1082544)

I could understand some 30s still being into it but 40s might as well be parents of the teenagers so they wouldn't be a good example.