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Old 04-04-2016, 08:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Though I can't say I've listened to an entire one of their albums (aside from their greatest hits), it was my impression that the band is generally considered to have gone downhill after Crosby left. I think if I were to ever check out entire albums of theirs I would start with their first 3.
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OK it's like two different bands but with the same name. Kinda like the Stones or Genesis after key members left (or in Brian's case was done in by the handyman). It's not that they went downhill they changed their sound from a jangley Folk meats Beat to a more (Acid Folk &) Country oriented sound with Clarence White and his b-bender Telecaster. He is probably one of the more over-looked guitar players out there. Which is a shame for having such talent. By over-looked I mean by the general public, he's more of a musician's musician. Even Jimi Hendrix was a fan of his and I've where Jimi played Clarence's stuff everyday. He is tremendous influence on Country pickers everyone from Albert Lee to Brad Paisley were influence by Clarence White and subsequently the post-Crosby Byrds. Both Tony Rice and Marty Stuart with Clarence's guitars. Tony acquired Clarence's Martin D-28 and Marty is the proud owner of his heavily modified Telecaster. Pet Sounds will be proud to know that Clarence White is of French-Canadian ancestry.

OK it's not a happy-clappy Pop jingle, but I don't see where it went all down hill.
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Tony is seen here playing on White's Martin D-28. On the album David Grisman plays a Gibson "Loar" F-5 mandolin signed by the man himself Lloyd Alistair Loar. However I do not know what he is playing in the video.
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That one sounds a lot like The Dead.
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That one sounds a lot like The Dead.
Dire Wolf springs to mind, if it were a bit slower the similarities would be pretty clear. No wonder I love both songs so much.

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That one sounds a lot like The Dead.
I haven't heard anything from The Dead. I didn't seek out their music because I was much of a Grateful Dead fan to begin with, and didn't bother with The Other Ones either. I thought it was cool that they changed their to "The Dead" and not distances themselves from "The Grateful Dead" name because Jerry Garcia passed. (Though I would understand if the remaining members didn't want to use the name.) I wouldn't know if The Dead sounded like The Byrds or even The Grateful Dead for that matter.

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Dire Wolf springs to mind, if it were a bit slower the similarities would be pretty clear. No wonder I love both songs so much.

I don't hear the similarity, from the video Clarence White is clearly playing a B-bender Telecaster and brilliantly I might add. I couldn't really listen to the Grateful Dead for too long. It sounds like the Grateful Dead is using a pedal steel - in my opinion. The style is a bit run-of-mill pedal steel that was prevalent in Country Pop at the time
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Dire Wolf springs to mind, if it were a bit slower the similarities would be pretty clear. No wonder I love both songs so much.

Yeah that's a good example. Till the Morning Comes is another one that kinda-sorta comes to mind, though this Dead song is more upbeat/quicker. Though to be honest it's similar to quite a few Dead songs. Sugar Magnolia and even Uncle John's Band are other possibilities.



Obviously I don't mean the songs sound completely alike, just saying they're pretty similar.

And come to think of it, to some extent I think the Dead's "country" era might have been at least a bit copy of the Byrds (though they're immediate inspiration was CSN). Hope I didn't give the impression the Byrds were copying the Dead, was just noting that song had a similar sound to the early-70's Dead.
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Sorry guys, but that Grateful Dead was a bit too weird sounding to me, however at some point it did remind me of the Monkees for some reason. I guess Till the Morning Comes sounded odd from the fact I haven't heard it before. You guys can continue with you Grateful Deadfest. I'll just go a different route.

I don't know whether The Byrds were influence by The Searchers or not, but they share that bright jangle guitar sound. The other bands have guitar close to The Byrds, whether they were directly influence or somehow sound similar I'm not sure either. I think it would be interesting to know. The last two are 80s tunes, but have the jangley 12 string Rics that remind me of Roger McGuinn. I tend to think that about any guitar player with a 12 string Ric.

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