pink floyd.. syd or roger?
 

who did you like better in the the lead?

i have to go with roger waters. tough call, but i cant say that piper at the gates of dawn was better than dark side of the moon. dark side of the moon has an amazing re-playability for me.

For the Record, Dave Gilmour Replaced Sid. Roger was always in the band.

i was talking about for lead singing and song writing. although 'dark side of the moon' was still a collaborative work, roger ended up having a more dominating grasp on the bands work as time went on post - syd barrett.

David Gilmour was the primary leadsinger in Floyds early post Syd years, Roger sings on only one song on Meddle, one song on Obscured by Clouds and two songs on DSOTM. He didn't really take the role of lead singer until Animals.

But as a songwriter, I have always prefered Waters to Barrett, and of course Gilmour is a better singer and guitarist than Barrett, his songwriting is pretty strong too.

Nick Mason.

Lol.

"One of these days I'm gonna cut you into little pieces."

I would give my right nut to have had Syd's unbridled imagination, and my left nut to have 1/10th of David's guitar playing prowess. Even though Roger dominated so much of the band's output in their latter years, it was Gilmours guitar playing that still blew me away. THE FLETCHER MEMORIAL HOME from THE FINAL CUT is a great example.

Animals and The Wall were excellent albums, even though Waters wrote and sang most of the songs, there was still some band effort in them.

The Final Cut though was pretty much just Roger Waters, replacing Richard Wright with a symphony orchestra was a bloated idea, and David Gilmour didn't write a single song, not even a co-writing credit. Aside from the predictably good Gilmour guitar solos, there was no band effort at all.

This is what was written on the back cover.

"The Final Cut: A Requiem for the Post-War Dream

by Roger Waters, performed by Pink Floyd."

That was pretty much the red flag of their demise.

It's hard to decide between the two...

I would prefer to see Syd (healthy) live but the albums led by Roger are much more listenable then those led by Syd.

Since there is a very limited amount of live Barrett material I would have to choose Roger Waters.

Remember that one song Syd wrote, Have you got it yet?

Every time the rest of Pink Floyd tried to perform the song, Syd would stop them because he was always rewriting the whole composition, making it impossible to learn, and it pissed everybody off. A whole hour had lasted until they finally gave up.

That was Syds great humor at work.

Someone with the same opinion!!

Gilmour and Wright are good songwriters in their own right.

In fact, Wright wrote the bulk of Us & Them, probably my favorite Floyd song, Great Gig In The Sky is another great piece by him.

Gilmour is a weak lyricist, but his ear for good melody far surpasses Waters', all you have to do is compare his solo work to Water's, Gilmour's is far superior on a musical level.

A lot of people like to diss post Waters Floyd, but I find myself liking The Division Bell quite a lot, the lyrics are sappy as f*ck, but the music is very tight IMO. If they put out another album just as good, and without Waters, I wouldn't mind.

There has been a lot of talk since Live 8 about a full fledged reunion. But thats just a bunch of crap.

A Pink Floyd reunion with Waters would be sweet, but as far as them making another album together I dunno, Waters has become such an egomaniac, he would probably take over everything like he did with The Final Cut, making it out to be just another solo record. If he could put it all aside and realise that there is more to Pink Floyd than just Roger Waters, then that would be great.

But I wouldn't count on anything like that ever happening, as of now, Gilmour and Waters still hate each others guts, The Ramones are statistically more likely to reunite than Floyd and Waters, and they're all dead.

man boo boo you ****ing love this thread.

although it is a complete RUMOR, i saw something regarding pink floyd possibly getting back with waters for Coachella 2008

If they are actually planning to get back together I would already know about it, we all would.

But who knows, maybe Gilmour and Waters are just waiting it out to see how much money someone will cough up for them to do a reunion tour, Mason and Wright have already said they wouldn't bail on having a reunion. Overall, its still a best case scenario.

... notice the post within 8 minutes of me saying that, incredible

it was RUMORED, and i didnt say anything about a tour but just one show. you could be right about the money thing, i heard rage got paid $16 million for coachella 2007.

Us and Them owns every other song in existence(Besides Tumbling Dice).

Wright is my second favorite Floydster (after Gilmour of course), his keyboard playing is vastly underappreciated. I also like his vocals more than Waters', I think its a shame he didn't get to sing more often.

The main reason I dislike Floyd's middle period(Animals, The Wall) is Waters vocals.

I can't think of any Pink Floyd that I actually dislike. In fact I even enjoyed the over the top wankery of The Final Cut in its own right.

I don't really dislike, I just find something lacking in them...I listen to Pink Floyd for spacey, pretentious music, not intimate pop-influenced rock opera's.

I like Waters vocals, but they have a more "madman" quality to them. When he started taking over on vocals, Floyds music become more raw and dark (but more pompous and indulgent as well, not that its a bad thing). As opposed to the more mellow stuff of the 1970/75 period.

Which era is better is simply a matter of personal taste. I think both are great.

Though The Final Cut did piss me off.

Both work for me. Their catalog is eclectic enough for me to find something enjoyable in each release.

Yah, I would still consider both classic albums though. The lyrics are what kills the Waters-less works.

Bah, lyrics smyrics.

I suppose they're less important with prog, but still.

Roger Waters. Thank God Syd's insanity influenced some of the best albums of all time. Thanks for going crazy buddy.

He didn't really go crazy.

They're even less important with the blues. Since most blues lyrics are horrible.

It really depends on the type of prog really.

Yeah. ELP lyrics are hillariously bad. Rush lyrics are really sappy too.

But Peter Gabriel, Ian Anderson and Peter Hammell were all talented lyricists. Neal Morse (Spocks Beard) and Steven Wilson (Porcupine Tree) are too. As well as Richard Palmer-James, who wrote the lyrics for 3 King Crimson albums before forming Supertramp. And of course Roger Waters is an amazing lyricist.

Even Jon Anderson had his moments, even though he will be best remembered for lines like "Dig it" and "Cha cha cha, cha cha".

I'd have to go with Roger, but I don't think it's really a valid comparison, since Syd got the boot not long after their debut album was released.

Syd was the driving force behind the groundbreaking "Piper at the Gates...", but crashed and burned on acid shortly thereafter.

His behavior became so erratic that he was forced out of the band before their second album was completed and released. So he contributed very little to the second album "A Saucerful of Secrets".

Whereas he had written almost all the songs on "Piper", he only contributed one song to "Secrets"---"Jugband Blues".

If Syd hadn't fried his brain on LSD, he may have gone on to achieve long-term greatness with the band.

Unfortunately, that's all speculation. Since Waters contributed so much outstanding material over the course of many years, I'd have to choose him over Syd. However, I still respect Syd's work on "Piper" greatly.

he didnt fry his brain on acid... he has problems of his own, the acid just helped accelerate his own burning out.

And whats all this 'he got kicked out the band' stuff.

They didn't kick him out , he just stopped bothering to turn up.

Wrong. He was too unreliable. His departure was official when the band themselves decided they were not even gonna pick him up for shows. The band ditched him. He even showed up at recording sessions but the band refused to let him take part.

And it was certainly the right dicision I might add.

Yes ... After getting fed up of him not showing up.

Point is, he got fired. He didn't stop playing with them because he was planning on leaving the group. Rather because he was often too f*cked up on acid to even remember his own name.

You hit the nail on the head, boo boo. :thumb:

for me it would be Pink Floyd caz i like the song "we dont need no education"...

The song is actually called Another Brick in the Wall Part 2.

David.