Most Talented Member of Pink Floyd
 

I reckon it was David Gilmore.
Who would have the right to own the brand in your opinion regardless of lawsuits gone by?
Without Gilmores guitar would Floyd be Floyd?
Or was it Water's lyrical contribution and instrumentals?
Maybe you think it was Syd who was Pink Floyd.
Who was the most influential of the members of the group in your opinion?
Discuss.

well rogers is an amazing bassist...
Gilmour is an amazing guitarist with his awesomely slow solos
Syd i personally didnt much care for.
gilmour and rogers had some awesome lyrics
syd was good, but without him the band thrived.
Animals and The Wall were mostly the work of Rogers.

I'm gunna have to go with rogers was the god of pink floyd in the later days. Syd was the god in the early days. although i do prefer pink floyds later works. So for me im gunna have to go with rogers.

Alot of Rogers lyrics were helped along by david.

it pisses me off how perfectly you can word things:banghead:

Yes but Syd's Floyd were nothing like Gilmore's Floyd and they may aswell have been seperate bands.
Do you think Division Bell shows that Gilmore was the second Floyd or does the Wall show it was really Water's who had it?
Personally I know it is a tough one but when they battled in the courts they were arguing who had the most artistic influence. Would DSOTM be great without Gilmore's guitar?
Forget who was in the band first as like I said phase two PF was different and I reckon it was down to Gilmore.
I love them all and Syd inspired later Floyd to the peaks of musical genius but I have to say I think it was Gilmore's playing that did it.
I even heard Waters wrote lyrics to his guitar but I say that fearing Urban my old friend may have proof against me on this one as I am thin on facts about it!!!
I recall as a teenager both Floyd and Waters went and did their own shows. Who would you lot have gone to see on the same night?
I have to say mine would be Gilmore as even on Syd's tracks he came in didn't he to do a lot of the work for poor Syd when he packed in the lsd and weed lifestyle went home to mom and never went back again. I love the Wall but feel Pink Floyd's magic is in Gilmore's guitar playing then complimented by the others and that his playing is what we all love now. He even worked on the lyrics too....urban can correct me if I am wrong.
Would waters stuff just be very depressing without hope had it not been for Gilmores magical solo's?
Discuss this with everyone with no nonsense this time. This is opinionated debate and not factual.
And no cheap shots RT!!!
If they had to assign one of them to the hall of fame which one would it be?
Who made wish you were here and Division Bell? Who brought out the positive most?
If it were lennon mcCartney it would be easy to choose.....Harrisson!!!
But in this case I think the court of God would hand Pink Floyds force to Gilmore. Remember too that Syd's influence over PF2 was just in memory not in actual input.
I know this a tough one but let's see what others think with annecdotes and facts etc.

All of them except for their first frontman who went crazy or whatever.

i LOVE IT!!!
YEAH THAT DUDE WHO WENT FUNNY DIDN'T HE!
ah ha ha.
I love those types.

Whose that Kurt Cobain ...yeah he blew his head off that dude didn't he?
I prefer Nivarna's later stuff without that mad dude who blew his head off dude!!!

Yeah I like the Beatles without that mad hippy one who married that chick from china dude.

Shine on you crazy dude!
You have cheered me up in grey whitstable today!

I love Bowie before he became that alien dude!!

You should have the Wall up there then not the Division bell surely?
He wasn't even on it was waters.

Well he only did one record, so obviously he's not the most important...

I get the feeling you don't know what I was talking about.

Finally! That's exactly what these forums are for and not a platform for spouting rhetoric.

^ Glad to hear it.

This is true...

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**** why is this even a thread.....Roger waters is brilliant

Because you're wrong and the actual answer is Syd Barrett.

this will be a nice healthy discussion until jackhammer comes along and pwnz us all with his insane knowledge of the pink floyd

i honestly dont see why people like syd all that much. yeah he helped get the band off its feet, but once he left they had some of thier biggests hits ever.

Because not everybody wants to listen to dreary pedestrian stadium rock.

E.G. The Wall

Inspired but not the work of.
I think without Gilmore's guitar the band would not have had the success it did.
Do you think the division bell proved that?
That is debatable but pink floyd are what they are due to the guitar I believe.
How much Gilmore had to do with the lyrics I am not sure.
Have you seen youtube with DSOTM with Wizard of Oz?
No syncronicity at all man, what are they on about?
Roger waters claimed the wall for his own work almost entirely but without the guitar...........

Something can't be written without inspiration, unless you're writing it because Malcolm McLaren is pushing you to do it so you can make more money.

Very funny.
But inspiration doesn't make you the most talented does it?
Something inspired Gilmore yes but he still had to write the music not syd.
That is stupid Crowquil.
So why isn't everyone writing great songs if all they need is inspiration?
Get real.

Yeah but the giant problem with that logic is without inspiration is wouldn't have happened. I never said "Oh Syd inspired Wish You Were Here therefore he's the most talented."

My reasoning for him being most talented is because Piper At the Gates of Dawn>Everything else they've done and The Madcap Laughs is the best solo Floyd output.

Yes but then why aren't loads of bands writing great songs due to inspiration from old friends? Because they don't have the talent to go with the inspiration.
You even said before that the manics were crap after Edwards!!!
But he inspired most of their later work didn't he?
I agree with piper.
But I'd still hand it to Gilmore.
I suppose it is between gilmore, waters and syd isn't it?
How come harldy anyone puts a case for waters?
I mean, he did do the wall and piper and wish your were here, animals etc.
In fact he was there for all the albums up to the eighties so I suppose he was the most influential.
Your point about malcolm is a low blow Crowquill.
Trying to get some points in that I clearly won in another thread despite the gentlemans club supporting you.
Shine on you crazy Crowquill.

Actually I feel the later half of the Manics music is completely uninspired. As shown by the Holy Bible they do have a certain amount of musical talent. Richey told them how he wanted it to sound and provided the lyrics and everything and what turned out was a very great album. After he ran off they had no direction but they still were talented and they just turned into an overblown and mediocre pop group. The Manics without any inspiration is "Your Love is Not Enough" and that is all. Inspiration is just as important as talent, because inspiration has more to do with creativity than talent does and creativity>talent.

That is the biggest load of crap ever spouted in any forum ever Crowquill and your grandkids will see it in 50 years time in cybespace!!!!
Inspiration is as important as talent? What a load of the biggest pile of dog dodoo ever. Dog dodoo from a dog with gastrinomical problems whose just eaten too much runny gravy with his egg.
If inspiration is as important as talent why don't we write another DSOTM as I am pretty inspired. In fact why don't you or me invent a new mode of transport that is fuel efficient, write the best film script ever, create a new religion etc?
How many bands have more inspiration then I've smoked roll ups yet get nowhere?
Don't pop idol contestents have inspiration coming out of their jacksies?
It is talent Crowquill that does it.
For example the right profile by the clash is not about Monty Clift but about a record producer who everyone said avoid as he is mad but they knew to make it sound right for the public they'd call it a name everyone knew.
Inspiration the same as talent, I can't believe you said that Crowquill.
How much do they pay you to moderate?
I will do your job!!!!!
I can't believe you just said that. You have destroyed your credibility entirely and I can't see any possible way you can stay as a moderator anymore with any dignity!!!!
Only kidding but your point is ludicrous.
Even Urban and RT will be boiling the kettle while trying to come up with some way to try to make you justified in your comments but simply wont be able to.
If inspiration is equal to talent why does any band need to worry about success anymore just feel inspired and it is in the bag.
Do you think MC hammer was not inspired?
ah ha ha.

More trolling I see

Anymore of these kind of comments & you're gone.

You didn't even respond to my entire argument you just repeated the same futile comments over and through in some insults. Why don't you try and actually argue instead of posting irrelevant and frankly useless posts like this?

I find it hilarious that ADELE cannot even spell GILMOUR correctly. Case closed really.

Owned.

First of all you just restated the same thing 15 times. Without inspiration you get the same old boring crap over and over again. if you just write a song to write a song it turns out in ****. but if you get inspired by something you get somewhere. You need a healthy combination of both in order to make a great song.
For example rappers have no inspiration in their beats. if you listen to 10 rap songs i bet you will hear the exact same bassline (or whatever its called in rap) at least 5 times. So without an inspiration in mind, nothing comes out and you just recycle past ideas that were good.
@ the rappers- im sure my knowledge of rap is pure **** (so please dont go into a big arguement about htis point) but i swear every new hit that comes out has the same bassline.

I'm not posting anymore after this.
Attack my spelling when I am dyslexic but the word is spelt threw not through. So not so great yourself.
I am not trolling I have stated my case and tackled your opinions each time. I never mentioned Malcolm in this thread. That was put in for no reason then I am told I am trolling.
I hope others come in to defend my opinions but you will probably not post their comments.
All the moderators have done is attack my spelling and when others read the threads they will see unfair treatment and no real intelligent arguement just attacking my spelling when they don't even spell correct themselves.
Why ban a guy when he is only making an arguement.
You said inspiration is as much of importance as talent.
Everyone who sets out on any business or creative venture is inspired but only a few succeed. Everyone has inspiration not everyone has talent.
Funny how I am accused of trolling (whatever that means) when I have put arguements that all the moderators have attacked and backed each other then threatened to ban me.
That isn't free expression that is childish "you're not coming to my party" attitude.
So I spelt Gilmoure wrong so that is cased closed. My points are not relevant because I spelt his name wrong?
My points are not no longer important because a dyslexic spelt his name with one letter wrong?
Man that is childlike in the extreme.
Is the reason noone backs me up because you fail to publish their posts?
Or will you ban them too if they do?

Being dyslexic would'nt equate to you constantly getting a surname wrong that is printed on the back or around most of their albums. Your spelling is no worse or better than anyone elses so even if you have dyslexia, using it as an excuse it just glossing over the fact that many people have countered your arguments to which you have not replied. You asked me in another thread which woman had made classic albums. I gave you a substanstial list but you never replied and ignored the list. Was it because you were made to look wrong? If you are now going to say that you missed the post then it's extremely lax on your part not to read posts in a thread that you started.

There is no doubt that you have created threads that have, from time to time encouraged good debate. However you have been proved wrong on a number of occasions regarding your facts and have steadfastly refused to acknowledge this.

Challenging myself, Urban, Right-Track, in fact any mod on here for not knowing their stuff is foolhardy. We don't claim to know every single fact about music and you will find that there a lot of threads on these boards that some mods (myself included) do not post in because they wont have the sufficent knowledge to back it up. If we do enter a thread then we know that we are invariably right in our facts, and if we are in the minority then we will hold our hands up and say we are wrong.

If you start a debate you must be able to carry it on through or at least accept counter arguments and post accordingly.

Hey man I didn't start arguing. I will post again if that is the case to see something through.
I put up a decent question and crowquill instantly said about malcolm which was from another of my threads totally unrelated and uncalled for then made the absurd suggestion that been a person who inspires something makes them responsible for the product which is utterly rubbish. If they knew their music they would know that many of the songs were actually about their other friends and wives and each other. Water's main topic was his dead father not syd.
Then people said because I spelt a name wrong the case is closed. Explain that? Yet everyone has made spelling errors here I just don't point them out as I get their point being made and that is what matters. in a debate that is fast and instant you don't bother doing spell checks as the other person is waiting for a response to their point quickly. Style over substance is what the not so bright kids at school worked on when we grew up and went to school.
By throwing their derision on everything I did, exposing every weakness how other moderators write...???
Crowquill also said John Lennon was crap.
A moderator also said Imagine isn't even in his top 100 songs. I don't even think as a solo artist he made 100 songs and to say Imagine isn't in top 100????
As for women in Rock yes I was named about ten women. Doesn't that just validate my point?
Ten out of all the thousands or rock bands there have been and albums made?
Out of all the bands there have been in rock history? That wouldn't even rank as a full percentage point in any rock statistic because women are pop, jazz and so on not rock. that was my point. Not sexist just a fact that rock like playing football is 99% male.
Moderators don't make any valid points about floyd here if they do where is the arguement for waters who claimed he wrote 85% at least of DSOTM and all of the wall and much of wish you were here?
And also that he wrote and co wrote syds material making him the most talented throughout? Moderators never mentioned this becuase they don't know it.
What about the court case that debated who had the right to own the name Pink Floyd which Gilmour won and then they toured with waters doing his own band and not allowing the others to play any of his songs?
What about waters actually finishing much of the Piper himself as syd was too ill but not taking credit as he loved syd but later it became clear to music writers that he and Gilmour actually done most of the studio work on that album as Syd was not able to attend sessions?
Do the moderators mention any of these things?
No, they ignore the thread title and debate obscure opinions about where talent lies like Plato's or Aristotle's.
This is because they don't know as much about music as they like to let on.
I don't comment on rap or blues either because I know nought about them. But I know what I know about rock and punk.
And one last thing, when people attack someone personally without wit it is because they don't have the arguement on the subject. I don't mean witty messing but just insulting about spelling when everyone knows my points. It is also clear that some are using reverse tatics to accuse me of things they themselves have said. It is all on the boards for all to see it just may take a bit of time for your minds to catch up to mine as that is the way it always is with me.
I have not gone over the same point 15 times but noone has debated anything at all about the floyd ...yet.
I have literally had to say every angle myself so it isn't a debate it is just me making all the counter arguements because noone else has.
By the way I am a genius you just don't know who I am.

LOL

I'm not going to bother responding to your post because you're still doing the same arrogant crap jackhammer accused you of. You have your facts wrong and I don't feel like correcting them to you because as you've proven it's a useless thing to do.

BUT it was Pink Floyd without Syd...

You don't need to you can just write the best selling album of all time and get critical aclaim as you have the inspiration of the whole history of mankind.
You can't comment a single thing about the floyd because you don't know anything about them because if you did you would as you never failed to before.
Jalen is the only moderator who is balanced and is both objective and fair not making sweeping statements.
Still, you do have a great forum here and probably the best on the web so you can't be too bad.
Maybe some other people should debate the floyd and the issues about the floyd.
Did you know that Water's can't write another Floyd song by law or perform most of them live? Unless Gilmour says so.
And did you know that Floyd are making one last album as we speak?
This means Waters and Gilmour have burried the hatchet.
The album is going to be about death and later generations to come.
Good old floyd, always singing about frivilous topics!!

Write this all again only with all the bitching taken out so I can actually see the points your making and i'll happily respond.

^ Define moderator.

^ Define genius.

^ For the answer to that...see Urbans sig.

are you his girlfriend or trying to get me banned?
I don't get what you mean by check his sig. It is a girl been knocked down by a man. Probably quite painful for her. If someone posted that of my girlfriend I'd track their IP and visit them.

By checking Urbans sig you would deduce that he knows a lot more about music and artists than you ever have and his last.fm tracklist is constantly surprising and full of eclectic bands.

"What am I then?"
The whole carriage hushed. Smith looked him up and down.
"You're a **** pal," he said.

^ This bit is what I had in mind.

Hmmm ...Talented? Thats' a tough question to answer. I'd say that if you look at Floyd's Discography as a whole You'll see more of Gilmore's influence than any other band members. Roger Waters Is a decent bass player, an OK singer, and a good songwriter, but I think he's eclipsed by Gilmore in all three of those areas (so what if Waters pretty much wrote The Wall. Its a psychotherapy session put to music, and one of the most overrated pieces of music in rock n' roll history). I'm sure Barrett was very talented, but its hard to know whether you're crediting his genius or his neurosis when talking about him, and although his influence got the ball rolling, the band quickly evolved into an entirely different musical entity. I think Gilmour gets it for me.

And mark e smith aint?
pissy little skid who thinks he's a poet?
But your right I am a **** as people often find out. I am very very much one.

I'd go along with that totally.
That is a person who I think knows their stuff.
I also think that is why the court gave it to him and the other two backed him.
I love the remark about about waters!
I read he wanted to carry on on that theme but the others wanted more diversity and thought the wall was just too damn paranoid in it's depth.
Cheers SATCHMO!
good man.