Prog-Rock (lyrics, alternative, instrumental, pop, punk)

dog · 02-03-2005, 05:09 AM

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You know something, I always slap these two together as one person. Is there a diffrence?

hehehe ur stupid. HA!

Enfilade · 02-03-2005, 05:13 PM

Can this thread maybe not turn into a flamefest.

On the topic of prog. rock. I love it. Radiohead and Mars Volta are two of my personal favorites as well. Sigur Ros, Mogwai, Godspeed You Black Emporer, if you want to call them prog, I love them.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-06-2005, 05:35 AM

I wouldn`t wipe my arse with 'Guitarist' magazine

Sneer · 02-06-2005, 08:46 AM

its pretty fair to say you dont like prog rock. its your opinion right. i personally like it because it tests musical boundries. i can see why queen may be sen as prog, nobody before them really incorporated opera with rock did they? they were very experimental with harmonies.

gongadin · 10-10-2005, 02:42 PM

Queen and Pink Floyd are good, i've got a few of their albums

DontRunMeOver · 10-11-2005, 08:10 AM

Prog-rock seems to be a term that is used whenever a band doesn't just repeat one verse and one chorus chord sequence for the whole song. To those lengths, how good the resulting music is varies hugely depending on whether the band know why they're changing all of the chords of if they're just doing it to look clever.

Queen liked using lots of extended, complicated chord sequences but they actually worked in the song (the same way that lots of good jazz songs have complicated chords underneath) and so the music came out really well.

Bands like YES, from what little I've heard, seemed to be using the complications just to prove to themselves that they knew all of the chords shapes. So it just sounded a bit anal.

Most prog-rock wasn't really progressive as it didn't encourage many people to learn from it and push musical boundaries further, because it rarely pulled together to give something coherent. It got people into punk and simplicity instead!

boo boo · 10-11-2005, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver

Bands like YES, from what little I've heard, seemed to be using the complications just to prove to themselves that they knew all of the chords shapes. So it just sounded a bit anal.

Most prog-rock wasn't really progressive as it didn't encourage many people to learn from it and push musical boundaries further, because it rarely pulled together to give something coherent. It got people into punk and simplicity instead!

I strongly disagree with this, a lot of people have learned from prog, prog still has a strong influence today, listen to bands like Tool, Mars Volta, Radiohead, Mathew Good Band, SOAD, Muse or Sigur Ros and tell me they didn't learn a few tricks from 70s prog...Even alternative rock bands like The Smashing Pumpkins and Sonic Youth used elements of progressive rock on some of their albums, prog is just a genre that dosent appeal to everyone because of its complexity and weirdness, but if people took the time to appreciate it they could certainly learn from it.

And what Yes have you heard?, some of their works are basicly more acessible than others.

DontRunMeOver · 10-11-2005, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

I strongly disagree with this, a lot of people have learned from prog, prog still has a strong influence today, listen to bands like Tool, Mars Volta, Radiohead, Mathew Good Band, SOAD, Muse or Sigur Rose and tell me they didn't learn a few tricks from 70s prog...Even alternative rock bands like The Smashing Pumpkins and Sonic Youth used elements of progressive rock on some of their albums, prog is just a genre that dosent appeal to everyone because of its complexity and weirdness, but if people took the time to appreciate it they could certainly learn from it.

And what Yes have you heard?, some of their works are basicly more acessible than others.

How many of those do you think really took their ideas from the original prog and how many are just playing rock with extended chord sequences, different sections and some special effect, coming from their own minds rather than via some historical lineage which you're tracing back to the 70's? If you know a load of different chords, know how they fit together and have some ideas for them do you really have to have listened to a load of Genesis etc. to start playing your music? I don't think you do.

boo boo · 10-11-2005, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver

How many of those do you think really took their ideas from the original prog and how many are just playing rock with extended chord sequences, different sections and some special effect, coming from their own minds rather than via some historical lineage which you're tracing back to the 70's? If you know a load of different chords, know how they fit together and have some ideas for them do you really have to have listened to a load of Genesis etc. to start playing your music? I don't think you do.

Mars Volta, Muse, Mathew Good Band and Tool have actualy credited 70s prog as a influence, thats how i know.

DontRunMeOver · 10-11-2005, 08:39 AM

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Mars Volta, Muse, Mathew Good Band and Tool have actualy credited 70s prog as a influence, thats how i know.

That's fair enough then. You can't tell that directly from listening to their music though - sometime people can actually come up with their own ideas. But if they say they learned from prog-rock then I expect they did!

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02-03-2005, 05:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
Enfilade Groupie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Places Posts: 34	Can this thread maybe not turn into a flamefest. On the topic of prog. rock. I love it. Radiohead and Mars Volta are two of my personal favorites as well. Sigur Ros, Mogwai, Godspeed You Black Emporer, if you want to call them prog, I love them.

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DontRunMeOver They call me Tundra Boy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: In your linen cupboard. Posts: 1,157	Prog-rock seems to be a term that is used whenever a band doesn't just repeat one verse and one chorus chord sequence for the whole song. To those lengths, how good the resulting music is varies hugely depending on whether the band know why they're changing all of the chords of if they're just doing it to look clever. Queen liked using lots of extended, complicated chord sequences but they actually worked in the song (the same way that lots of good jazz songs have complicated chords underneath) and so the music came out really well. Bands like YES, from what little I've heard, seemed to be using the complications just to prove to themselves that they knew all of the chords shapes. So it just sounded a bit anal. Most prog-rock wasn't really progressive as it didn't encourage many people to learn from it and push musical boundaries further, because it rarely pulled together to give something coherent. It got people into punk and simplicity instead!