Necromancer

I think I saw that too, there are a couple of different concerts and documentaries on cable TV to choose from. Beyond The Lighted Stage is one, and ??..

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

I would say this song very much is a good example of promoting the compositional intricacy, and care that most mainstream rock is lacking. It's melodic, percussively interesting. Has moments of damn good coordination between instruments. A very unique aesthetic in terms of usage of carnival/cartoon tones(not many things in the 1970s were doing). Gradual progression. Unique structural elements. Nearly every instrument played masterfully. Apart from the vocals, gorgeously harmonic. Yet, even in the harmonic moments, no fear in experimenting in polyphonic, and light avant-garde elements. Plus, distinctly rock in tone(even if the jazz elements are very strong).

Just because it isn't 'serious' I don't think the craftsmanship in terms of musicianship really need to be discredited.

Where as Jethro Tull is significantly more simple rhythmically. Significantly less subtle thematically. More needlessly repetitive. Too focused on that catchy hook which makes rock accessible. Great band, worse example of 'progressing' from rock norms.

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SIRIUSB

Cool stuff . . . reminds me of Vander Graaf Generator and other English PR bands! I guess I just have a warm spot for Tull, but they use odd time sigs expertly, are perfectionists and excellent musicians, incorporate classic themes brilliantly, and have a the finest lyrics ever.

What about other mainstream PR bands like Yes and Brand X?

Necromancer

"Yes" would've been my next pick, how about Kansas? (Art Rock)

I actually never personally liked to label Genesis as being progressive (whatever). Pink Floyd and Boston are defiantly two of the core prog bands.

SIRIUSB

Floyd has so many eras they're hard to nail, love them though.
Kansas and bands like that to me came across as fluffy, but that's me.
You might actually dig some of my stuff (not exactly Prog Rock but very progressive).

Where does PR turn into Jazz Fusion? (I hate these labels but whatever)

Necromancer

That would be "Steely Dan".

SIRIUSB

Perfect! Great band too!

Guybrush

Blues, I'd agree, but Gentle Giant is one of my all-time favourite bands and they've got plenty of rock in their discography in my opinion.

I don't necessarily disagree with all this, but I think defining the music a band plays by it's audience instead of what they do is a very difficult way to achieve perhaps the same result. Plus, you would sometimes need an audience to know if a band is rock or not.

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I don't think Steely Dan is a particularly good example. Sure, they have plenty of jazz aesthetics in their later music, but it's not really what most think of as fusion which in a purer form is more or less the music you'd find on Miles Davis albums like Bitches Brew or played by 70s fusion bands like The Mahavishnu Orchestra, Weather Report or Return to Forever to name the three big ones.

Prog rock and fusion mixes all the time. Samla Mammas Manna mentioned above sound very much like a fusion band on occasion (just listen to what happens after about 7:10 into this). Another good example are canterbury bands like Hatfield and the North or National Health. National Health is a rock band that play compositions which definetly mix a rock and jazz aesthetic in my opinion.

Here's an example from their debut :




Sometimes jazz approaches rock. What I'm about to write isn't always straight forward, but I think of rock music as composed music because that's where it's roots come from. Much of jazz fusion relies very much on improvisations and jazz has improvisation at it's roots so that's alright. However, sometimes a jazz piece can become so strictly composed that if you add a jazz rock band like Return to Forever to that which is pretty much a band like National Health, they may start playing something which is similar in many ways.

I'd say this is an exmple of a jazz fusion band approaching prog rock :

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Necromancer

This particular song is beautifully written and arranged. Supertramps closing single from the 1977 album Even in the Quietest Moments, Fools Overture.

This single defines (technical) progressive rock of the 70s in my opinion. Fools Overture is an all-time rock masterpiece.

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Fools Overture
History recalls how great the fall can be
While everybody's sleeping, the boats put out to sea
Borne on the wings of time
It seemed the answers were so easy to find
"Too late," the prophets cry
The island's sinking, let's take to the sky

Called the man a fool, stripped him of his pride
Everyone was laughing up until the day he died
And though the wound went deep
Still he's calling us out of our sleep
My friends, we're not alone
He waits in silence to lead us all home

So tell me that you find it hard to grow
Well I know, I know, I know
And you tell me that you've many seeds to sow
Well I know, I know, I know

Can you hear what I'm saying
Can you see the parts that I'm playing
"Holy Man, Rocker Man, Come on Queenie,
Joker Man, Spider Man, Blue Eyed Meanie"
So you found your solution
What will be your last contribution?
"Live it up, rip it up, why so lazy?
Give it out, dish it out, let's go crazy,
Yeah!"

killcreek

there is no more progressive rock cause everything's been done already