Music Banter

Music Banter (https://www.musicbanter.com/)
-   Prog & Psychedelic Rock (https://www.musicbanter.com/prog-psychedelic-rock/)
-   -   Any Fans Of Progressive Rock? (https://www.musicbanter.com/prog-psychedelic-rock/7736-any-fans-progressive-rock.html)

boo boo 06-29-2005 10:35 PM

Any Fans Of Progressive Rock?
 
this is a very interesting forum, but most of the artists mentioned here are popular modern artists, which sparks my curiousity...any prog fans out there?...my favorites are pink floyd, yes, jethro tull, king crimson, ELP, frank zappa and genesis...but i also like obscure groups like camel, gentle giant, gong, magma, caravan, van der graff generator, hawkwind, renaissance, focus, can, egg, atomic rooster, soft machine, captian beefheart, marillion and the moody blues....i have downloads from all these bands, so if you havent heard them but want to, just IM me.

Trauma 06-30-2005 02:44 PM

Yes.

boo boo 06-30-2005 04:36 PM

oh great...start a thread about a very interesting, imaginitive, challenging genre and only one person posts, start one about good charlotte and everybodys interested. :banghead:

<<<>>> 06-30-2005 05:14 PM

i feel ya
 
i feel your pain its bull****. but ya im interested too

<<<>>> 06-30-2005 05:15 PM

fff
 
not interested in good charloote, prog

vairocks 07-01-2005 09:03 AM

me a fan!! dream theater rocks!!

Sneer 07-01-2005 10:23 AM

i love prog rock. the classics such as floyd, van der graaf generator, hawkwind, can (courtesy of urban) but i also love the contemporary prog such as radiohead, the mars volta, tool, arcade fire and jaga jazz.

Electric Ocean 07-01-2005 10:31 AM

I'm listening to Rush right now :)

boo boo 07-01-2005 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Electric Ocean
I'm listening to Rush right now :)

yea, greatest power trio ever in my opinion. :)

right-track 07-01-2005 02:48 PM

2112 album by Rush...our great computers fiil our hallowed halls... brilliant.

PhishFood 07-01-2005 06:30 PM

i already started a thread on this exactly,,, Prog rock is the greatest, the first post here is like looking at my ablum collection,

sexy_drug 08-19-2005 10:32 PM

Yeah prog f*cking rules, listening to intersteller overdrive by pink floyd right now, but alas i havent heard much old school prog stuff mainly just rush and pink floyd and other bands which arnt so much prog but art rock, And new age stuff is alright but its all mainly metal or hardrock sorta stuff, which i aint complaining about

pastor of muppets 08-19-2005 10:35 PM

JETHRO TULL!!! yes... gotta love it....

boo boo 08-19-2005 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pastor of muppets
JETHRO TULL!!! yes... gotta love it....

yea, thick as a break, aqualung, minstrel in the gallery...great band.

pastor of muppets 08-19-2005 10:49 PM

and bourée... ah, good times....

Zygomycota 08-20-2005 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhishFood
i already started a thread on this exactly,,, Prog rock is the greatest, the first post here is like looking at my ablum collection,

YES!!!!!!!!!! PROG!!! I LOVE IT!!!

Alan Parsons Project, Argent, Caravan, Can, Electric Light Orchestra, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Brian Eno (Some stuff), Faust, Focus, Peter Gabriel, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Kansas (Some stuff), King Crimson, The Moody Blues, Pink Floyd, Procol Harum, Queen (Some Stuff), Roxy Music (Some Stuff), Rush, Styx, Supertramp, Traffic (Some Stuff), Yes, Frank Zappa...

That's all the prog I have.

plasticcowgirl 08-20-2005 11:05 AM

ELO! rock

Merkaba 08-20-2005 04:25 PM

Progressive is fan.f u c king.tastic
I love music that is like a story of sounds within an unconventional legnth of time:D
It's-a-magic.

THE INTERNET 08-20-2005 05:40 PM

Hawkwind,yes,can,faust,vishnu orchestra.

tdoc210 08-20-2005 07:01 PM

yes pink floyd, jethro tull are great

<<<>>> 08-20-2005 07:04 PM

hahahahahah
 
oh mr.9, mr.9 are you ok?

Dezzy 08-20-2005 08:34 PM

I like a lot of prog rock from the 60/70s. I call it hippy music.
I enjoy a lot of Jefferson Airplane, Steppenwolf, Canned Heat, amonst others.

pastor of muppets 08-20-2005 09:24 PM

DEZZY'S BACK!!! where ya been?

Sneer 08-21-2005 07:20 AM

i think king crimson pretty much makes most other prog bands of the 60s and 70s look silly.

adidasss 08-21-2005 08:01 AM

i'm sorry stu...the arcade fire=prog rock?

boo boo 08-21-2005 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy
I like a lot of prog rock from the 60/70s. I call it hippy music.
I enjoy a lot of Jefferson Airplane, Steppenwolf, Canned Heat, amonst others.

those are pyschedelic rock bands not prog bands, though they do have progressive elements in their music for sure, but theres a slight difference between bands who make progressive music and true blue progressive rock bands...every rock artist progresse's in some way musicaly, progressive rock however is not just about progressing, it is also based on several distinct principles and characteristics...progressive rock and pyschedelic rock have some things in common as well as similar roots, but they are not the same genre...though both genres were born at about the same time...in the mid 60s post sgt peppers...jefferson airplane, love, grateful dead, quicksilver messenger service and the united states of america were the first pyschedelic rock bands and the moody blues, the nice, procal harum, traffic and the mothers of invention were the first progressive rock bands...but there are bands who blend both styles, pink floyd for example are both progressive rock and psychedelic rock...space rock is a style of rock that mix's both genres...hawkwind, gong and eloy are some notable space rock bands.

Dezzy 08-21-2005 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boo boo
those are pyschedelic rock bands not prog bands, though they do have progressive elements in their music for sure, but theres a slight difference between bands who make progressive music and true blue progressive rock bands...every rock artist progresse's in some way musicaly, progressive rock however is not just about progressing, it is also based on several distinct principles and characteristics...progressive rock and pyschedelic rock have some things in common as well as similar roots, but they are not the same genre...though both genres were born at about the same time...in the mid 60s post sgt peppers...jefferson airplane, love, grateful dead, quicksilver messenger service and the united states of america were the first pyschedelic rock bands and the moody blues, the nice, procal harum, traffic and the mothers of invention were the first progressive rock bands...but there are bands who blend both styles, pink floyd for example are both progressive rock and psychedelic rock...space rock is a style of rock that mix's both genres...hawkwind, gong and eloy are some notable space rock bands.

Hey Boo Boo
Thanks for that, you have an impressive knowledge of differences between the genres. I have always been rubbish at spotting the subtle differences between the masses of sounds out there.
I love all sorts of stuff especially the 60s "Pcsychedelic" stuff. So if progressive and Pscycodelic (can't spell it either) are different I do seem to like both. Floyd, Zappa, Velvet U (are they in this bracket?), Hendrix, Spooky Tooth.

Hello Pastor
Thanks for asking about my whereabouts I've been busy with work, broken PC, and spending several days/nights sat up a tree trying to prevent it being chopped down.

:wave:

adidasss 08-21-2005 02:36 PM

haha...you're a tree hugger?

Dezzy 08-21-2005 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss
haha...you're a tree hugger?

adidass. You're right to an extent. I love trees. I am sorry but I fibbed about trying to save one. I just dream that one day I will.

On the subject of Prog Rock.
Pink Floyd have been mentioned a lot in this thread. Has anyone heard the album called Ummagumma by them?
If so has anyone managed to listen to it all in one go without getting freaked out and putting something else on?
(I've not managed it............yet).

boo boo 08-21-2005 03:55 PM

common characteristics of prog:

1.long, very long compositions...not all prog songs are long but most prog bands specialize in very long epics...and they are often in the form of suites...thick as a brick by jethro tull for example is 40 minutes long.

2.most prog songs are epics or suites...a lot of them have overlapping parts and contain songs within the song.

3.complex lyrics dealing with themes such as religion, fantasy, science fiction, history, war, insanity, philosophy, literature and stream of conciousness...there can also be political themes in prog music...which bands like ELP, jethro tull and genesis used a lot.

4.most prog albums are not a random collection of songs, instead they are based around a certain theme or storyline...and some prog albums have characters in their storylines...for example pink floyds the wall is about a rock star simply known as pink.

5.unsual vocal styles and multi part harmonys...the harmonys are often opera or folk influenced...yes, gentle giant and magma are good examples of prog bands with strange vocal harmonys.

6.the use of instruments not commonly used in rock music...genesis and jethro tull commonly used flute and recorders...a lot of yes songs features sitar parts..gentle giant incorperated many instruments into their music such as violins, cello, mandolin, saxophones, recorders and horn sections...prog bands are also known for popularizing the moog synthesizer...most prog bands feature uncoventional lineups instead of the standard guitar/bass/drums ensemble...rush are one big exception to this rule. =)

7.use of odd time signatures, scales and tunings...some prog bands offten play off each other instrumentaly to create a off ballance effect.

8.solo passages for almost every instrument, in other words with most prog bands, every instrument has equal importance.

9.coordinations withen the rhythm sections...bassists and drummers will often play off each other and different rhythms and progessions from the rest of the band...chris squire and bill bruford are good examples, also tony levin.

10.strong classical influences, and a lot of prog bands do interpretations of classical pieces...ELP have done adaptations of bach pieces for example.

11.linking the music with visual art...either with exotic and elaberate album covers or live performances that include light shows, props and animation sequences...pink floyd is a great example.

12.use of sound effects, to add depth to the story or concept, pink floyd use this a lot, as can be heard on DSOTM.

13.most prog bands are made up of classicly trained musicians with plenty of skill, though there are exceptions.

14.the fusion of many different styles and genres...yes for example blended hard rock, jazz, folk, classical, country, worldbeat, middle eastern and avant garde elements....jethro tull blended folk, classical, blues, jazz and heavy metal.

adidasss 08-21-2005 04:16 PM

man, that must have taken you an hour to write....

boo boo 08-21-2005 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss
man, that must have taken you an hour to write....

if it means educating some people about one of rocks most underrated and little known genres, then it was well worth it. :)

SATCHMO 08-21-2005 05:27 PM

Boo-boo I agree and disagree with you at the same time. Your list of characteristics describes some key and very common themes that have been found within the genre in the past, especially the late 60's/early70's, which is the era that is most commonly associated with peogressive rock, but esentially, progressive rock is just that: progressive, so its definition and subsequent criteria/characteristics are always evolving. The one defining characteristic that is constant is that progressive rock continue to push further outward the boundaries which define contemporary rock through imagination and innovation, and usually, a great deal of musical skill. Like I said your characterisitics are not wrong,. I just find them a bit restraining for a genre that is ever evolving and redifining itself.

pastor of muppets 08-21-2005 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boo boo

10.strong classical influences, and a lot of prog bands do interpretations of classical pieces...ELP have done adaptations of bach pieces for example.

bach = baroque :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Hello Pastor
Thanks for asking about my whereabouts I've been busy with work, broken PC, and spending several days/nights sat up a tree trying to prevent it being chopped down.

:wave:

word! love those trees....

boo boo 08-22-2005 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SATCHMO
Boo-boo I agree and disagree with you at the same time. Your list of characteristics describes some key and very common themes that have been found within the genre in the past, especially the late 60's/early70's, which is the era that is most commonly associated with peogressive rock, but esentially, progressive rock is just that: progressive, so its definition and subsequent criteria/characteristics are always evolving. The one defining characteristic that is constant is that progressive rock continue to push further outward the boundaries which define contemporary rock through imagination and innovation, and usually, a great deal of musical skill. Like I said your characterisitics are not wrong,. I just find them a bit restraining for a genre that is ever evolving and redifining itself.

that was just my take on it, though im not implying that prog bands have all those characteristics, those are just common ones...bands like pink floyd and jethro tull lack some of those characteristics, but they are still prog...prog has many different forms and what i posted was merely characteristics of some of them...there are more sub genres to prog than any other genre in rock...symphonic prog, progressive metal, space rock, krautrock...and then theres RIO, which really isnt a genre but merely a discription of bands who really dont fall under any genre...they may lack most of the characteristics i mentioned and still be prog...prog is a genre that has evolved like no other, and there are several prog bands who escape the conventions of prog(like those i mentioned)and still be prog...mars volta for example, a very promising band indeed.

puddin 08-22-2005 06:13 AM

Mars Volta would be SO much better without their singer, I hate his voice.

Sneer 08-22-2005 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boo boo
common characteristics of prog:

1.long, very long compositions...not all prog songs are long but most prog bands specialize in very long epics...and they are often in the form of suites...thick as a brick by jethro tull for example is 40 minutes long.

2.most prog songs are epics or suites...a lot of them have overlapping parts and contain songs within the song.

3.complex lyrics dealing with themes such as religion, fantasy, science fiction, history, war, insanity, philosophy, literature and stream of conciousness...there can also be political themes in prog music...which bands like ELP, jethro tull and genesis used a lot.

4.most prog albums are not a random collection of songs, instead they are based around a certain theme or storyline...and some prog albums have characters in their storylines...for example pink floyds the wall is about a rock star simply known as pink.

5.unsual vocal styles and multi part harmonys...the harmonys are often opera or folk influenced...yes, gentle giant and magma are good examples of prog bands with strange vocal harmonys.

6.the use of instruments not commonly used in rock music...genesis and jethro tull commonly used flute and recorders...a lot of yes songs features sitar parts..gentle giant incorperated many instruments into their music such as violins, cello, mandolin, saxophones, recorders and horn sections...prog bands are also known for popularizing the moog synthesizer...most prog bands feature uncoventional lineups instead of the standard guitar/bass/drums ensemble...rush are one big exception to this rule. =)

7.use of odd time signatures, scales and tunings...some prog bands offten play off each other instrumentaly to create a off ballance effect.

8.solo passages for almost every instrument, in other words with most prog bands, every instrument has equal importance.

9.coordinations withen the rhythm sections...bassists and drummers will often play off each other and different rhythms and progessions from the rest of the band...chris squire and bill bruford are good examples, also tony levin.

10.strong classical influences, and a lot of prog bands do interpretations of classical pieces...ELP have done adaptations of bach pieces for example.

11.linking the music with visual art...either with exotic and elaberate album covers or live performances that include light shows, props and animation sequences...pink floyd is a great example.

12.use of sound effects, to add depth to the story or concept, pink floyd use this a lot, as can be heard on DSOTM.

13.most prog bands are made up of classicly trained musicians with plenty of skill, though there are exceptions.

14.the fusion of many different styles and genres...yes for example blended hard rock, jazz, folk, classical, country, worldbeat, middle eastern and avant garde elements....jethro tull blended folk, classical, blues, jazz and heavy metal.

that looks very much like a copy and paste job. but sounds right nonetheless.. though if your a fan of something you tend to already know what its about.

boo boo 08-22-2005 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LedZepStu
that looks very much like a copy and paste job. but sounds right nonetheless.. though if your a fan of something you tend to already know what its about.

i didnt copy and paste, i had sorces, but i wrote that myself, i added my own spin and comentary as well.

boo boo 08-22-2005 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puddin
Mars Volta would be SO much better without their singer, I hate his voice.

i like his voice, a cool robert plant meets jon anderson style if you ask me. :)

sexy_drug 08-23-2005 02:36 AM

Midgely do you like any GOOD music? (excluding pavement, the jicks and the eels)


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:00 PM.


© 2003-2024 Advameg, Inc.