Magma is goddamned life. Definitely dig through the rest of the discography and hit up Ruins if you want a punkier zeuhk approach.

No, there really isn't more to neoprog (which I should clarify is not synonymous with modern prog) than tepid new age crap and nothing you've said here has disproved that.

I suppose the point is that there are all kinds of prog. Some people like the original 70s more spacey/folky/English prog, while others prefer the newer stuff. And some people, like me, like both, but not all of the bands in either. I still can't get into IQ, working on Spock's Beard, have a love/hate relationship with Pallas, like It Bites (even if they're more prog pop) and keep coming across good new prog bands every week.

In your opinion.

Not the new age element, but the rest is blatantly an opinion so I don't need to add that redundant ass bit to make your butt a little less hurt.

holy explosion this is some mad prog

There is nothing remotely new age about prog, neo or otherwise.

And now I'm done wasting my time talking to you.

Vambo, can you guide me to some good VDGG albums? I really should start checking their stuff out properly. As a matter of interest, how do you stand on Marillion? Are you a fan, casual listener, can't stand them, what? I personally love just about every album with the exception of Somewhere Else (though I'm naturally a big fan of the Fish era, all four albums) and I have yet to listen to Fuck Everyone And Run, though I thought Sounds That Can't Be Made was a little overstretched in some areas.

As for Pendragon, my latest interest, that goes (so far; I'm still listening to all their albums) like this: Believe > Men Who Climb Mountains > Pure > Not Of This World > The Masquerade Overture > Passion > everything else I have yet to listen to. Wasn't sold on the debut though.

You want to try to get me into GG or ELP I'm open to recommendations, but don't expect miracles. Nice to get to talk to a proper prog head, I must say. :thumb:

You seriously believe this?



There's nothing new agey about this song by a neoprog giant? That doesnt even catch all of the dimensions of what I'm referring to.

New age is a music genre. It's not an insult unless you (correctly) think that new age is a bad thing to be associated with.

Don't be ridiculous. There's nothing new age about that, no more than there is about Journey, REO or any other AOR band, or even any rock band. Even if there were, this is one song. I don't listen to DT but even I know all of their music does not sound like this. Just because it has piano and acoustic guitar in it, and sounds a little relaxing, it's new age to you? Get out. :rolleyes:

Check the definition again, paying careful attention to the first two paragraphs, and then tell me how that song fulfils any of the criteria listed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Age_music

Omfg you know I meant muzak type **** you dense twat.

I never said all prog is new agey. That would be inherently wrong. This isn't even about your **** tsste in prog, it's about neoprog in general.

Ah, I see. As a mod, you're allowed to hurl personal insults, but I'm not? Good to know. Good to know.

You presented that song as an example of new age. It isn't new age. You called all neo prog new age. It ain't. I also don't see why you say the bolded: the original question was about prog in general, which certainly takes in personal tastes. It was you who made the pithy, disparaging and ill-informed and badly-backed-up insult, not me. So you're the one swinging the thread off topic pal.

... and back on topic we go.

TH, you're clearly defending it because you're defending your taste given that you enjoy quite a bit of tepid, new agey neoprog. That's why I brought up your taste.

And note the following sentence. Repeat it to yourself until you understand it.

Another example of what I'm talking about is most anything Devin Townsend.

Very little I listen to is new age, and certainly no prog that I'm aware of.
And thanks for repeating the personal insult. Once more and I'm reporting you, you nasty person. I'm getting a little tired of you flaunting the rules and thinking you're above them just because you're a mod. You're not: it's not one rule for mods and one for everyone else. Don't call me a twat again. I'm not remotely joking.

I am MORE than a proper proghead.
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My fav Gentle Giant lp is the third, "Three Friends" which has the BEST ending in all prog (better even than "Suppers Ready" or Lighthouse Keepers"). A complex bass line with big churchy-sound. (In his prog book, Macan is correct to say the best prog epics employed secular musics for their build-ups.).

Most proggers rate other lps (like Octopus & Power & Glory) over 3 Friends ,but not I. Three Friends has a good concept of 3 aging childhood friends who have not seen each other for decades and who re-live school memories by going through their old school. One became a poor struggling artist, one a labourer and one a rich & powerful man.
I love the last line:

"Once three friends/ Sweet in sadness/ now part of their past/In the end/Went from CLASS to CLASS."

I like how this thread is progressing.

Sigh. Let me know if you want to consider any point that I've made if you tire of zeroing on my wording and densely ignoring the actual meaning of what I'm trying to communicate to you. Mash dat report button.

You are, again, wrong. I'm not in any way defending anything. I already made it clear, over the years we've been sparring, that I accept that you, and others, don't like my music taste, and that's fine. I'm not trying to defend my music. I'm pointing out that you are wrong when you describe it as new age, because it is not. That's all.
Another example of you being wrong. Admittedly, I have not heard too much Townsend, but while what I have heard has been typically overproduced to death, it couldn't remotely be called new age, nor muzak. Basically, can you imagine it playing in lifts/elevators? If not then it ain't new age, or what I take new age to be, given the definition already cited and what I have personally heard of new age music (Stephen Cadell, Eddie Jobson (that name may be wrong, it's a long time since I heard the one song, "Endless Dream" but it was Eddie something), Solar Fields, Andrew Miles, Gandalf, even Vangelis maybe, perhaps JMJ...)

I've already addressed your points, many times. You're the one who wants to stoop to petty insults. You do you. But don't call me names again. It's annoying and tiresome, and you don't do it to anyone else. I know you mean it, which is why I am considering reporting you. I've never reported anyone in my six years here, but you're getting close.

A wise man once said "omfg you know I meant muzak type ****."

100000000000000000000% yes.

I think the term is "MOR Prog."

Trollheart:

It is Stephen Caudel. Yes, it is on a newage label ,but I do not consider it such - how many newages do you know that are scored for full orchestra? "Wine Dark Sea" is a wonderful lp.

Eddie Jobson was in prog bands like Curved Air and UK. His "Theme of Secrets" lp is above and beyond new age.

Wow! Someone knows Gandalf! - the Swiss one , not the American psych lp.

Yes, I suppose its new-agey. I have 4 or 5 titles and love them.

wot is "MOR"?

http://i.imgur.com/bXIGkQy.jpg

Middle of the road.

That's where all the action is

I just can't get over how rad the rhythms are in this song.

What did I say? Anyway, yes: Wine Dark Sea, that's the one I had (think I may still have somewhere). Sure it probably isn't new age, but as I say I've heard little. It is however closer to new age than any neo prog I could think of.
I'm pretty sure it's not Jobson, but I can't for the life of me think of his name. Very close, if not that. Ah! Eddie HARDIN. That's the one! Thanks Google!
Oh yeah I have like 25 of his albums. Definitely the closest to new age; all very nature/ecology/peace and love stuff. And I believe he's Austrian.

This is the one I was talking about.

"nature/ecology/peace & love stuff"

Starting, I believe in 1970, Atlantic Records put out a series of 11 ENVIRONMENTS sounds records.

The interesting and totally unique one is Environments 3 where side one is the 34 minute long , "be-In". Recorded in '69 in Central Park it is a slice of that slim timeline with chants, busker music,hippies recorded in the far background (with nature sounds foremost) almost like even then that whole ephermal scene was dissipating into the mists of time


https://img.discogs.com/dkQvxy2tFiuf...74720.jpeg.jpg

Loved that series. There's a more recent version of "Dawn at New Hope, Pennsylvania"
from that series (Vol. 2) that was released that, in the manner of true modern cynicism,
points out the struggles of nature rather than its beautiful, romanticized/idealized form.
BTW, the voice that you hear most of the time on "Be-In" is of the late David Peel.

Are there two with Hans Reichel? I know just about one, although it was reissued under a different name at some point.

I've been reccing you Koenjihyakkei's II aka Viva! a bunch of times. Did you check it out at some point? Some of the heaviest and craziest and overall over the top Zeuhl ever.

Beaver & Krause "In A Wild Sanctuary", etc. three good lps.

One of them (still?) recorded nature sounds, one has passed on.

They had a stand in Woodstock where they demonstrated Bob Moog's model D (I think it was)


Krause was really pissed with George Harrison cos Harrison had the credit to Krause removed from the "Electronic Sound" lp which was basically Krause on all of side two.
So if you have the writing on the back bottom (silver) of the cover smudged out, its not the orig. orig. press.

I don't even remember that but I'll legit check that out when I get home from work.

Yes, you're right. What I meant to say is that I have both "Kino" (Goldbroiler & Ehrlichmann) and "...Onkel Boskopp" (which has extra tracks).

Damn, would have been awesome if another one existed. There's way too little Reichel out there.

True, but there really is a bunch of great stuff out there now.
He left a pretty good sized legacy.

Do you have the Bergisch-Brandenburgisches Quartett recordings
that feature him with Rüdiger Carl, Sven-Åke Johansson and Ernst-Ludwig Petrowsky?

Sure do.
I'm a huge fan and try to have everything he participated in.

I encourage you to click the Gentle Giant link at the bottom of this page (in my sigfile).