Oh yeah, I forgot him. Norwegian, isn't he? And don't we have a Dane here somewhere? Or is that MicShazam? Damn Scandinavians: confusing me with their three countries that are kind of all one....
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That was literally the entire reason this conversation started. Are you going senile?

What do you mean, "going"??? :confused:

Anyone can play an instrument or write a song, those things are not talent. Making great music is talent, and great music is very subjective, so it's well within reason to say that Marillion isn't talented if you rightly think they're garbage.

Oh and neoprog doesn't mean new prog. It means that tepid new agey bull****.

If I can tie a cherry stem into a knot with my tongue that's a talent. Not a particularly good talent, but a talent nonetheless. If someone can play a guitar at all, that's a talent, and so is being able to play a guitar well. It's not a talent that necessarily makes them talented at making music, but it is a talent.

like it takes any talent to craft highly complex and virtuosic music with exceptional instrumental proficiency

No I won't give into these people's mind games where they try to get you to admit that a ****ty band that they like is good in at least one way because they lack the confidence to have opinions without other people validating them.

I bet the argument originates back to peasants talking **** on symphonies.

There are more than enough ways to **** on prog heads without denying the dictionary. But on the other hand everybody's got talents of some sort, but I'm not gonna call them talented as that would detract from people who deserve to be called talented. I'd say that Genesis are talented players (I guess, I'm not a good judge of that), but I wouldn't call them particularly talented since they come up too short in other important ways that are essential to being a talented artist. Like making music that doesn't suck.

Total bull**** as usual. I can play keyboards but play them ****. I'm not in any way talented. To be able to play a musical instrument you have to be talented. People can spend years (as I did, once) learning and never reach any level of proficiency. This does not make them talented. You think a whole slew of bargain basement punk bands from the 70/80s were talented? Some were, but in no way were they all. Stop trying to make the word mean what you want it to mean.

I don't like your music, at all, but I will readily admit that you are not talentless. You know how to craft and create music, not just bash aimlessly at an instrument. The fact that I don't like your music doesn't allow me to deny your talent, just as a band like, oh I don't know, say Fantomas, cannot be described as talentless, even though I hate what they do. You have to accept that in order to make proper music, ie music someone can listen to NOT necessarily music you or anyone else enjoys, requires talent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-progressive_rock

Again, just because you hate it doesn't deny its definition.

Nah, I define an artist's talent on the big picture. If that's a very foreign concept to you, then you're not going to get it even if I keep trying to explain it to you.