What are you listening to --- Prog/Psych Version

**Frownland** · 07-26-2017, 08:38 PM

Nah, I define an artist's talent on the big picture. If that's a very foreign concept to you, then you're not going to get it even if I keep trying to explain it to you.

~~vambo~~ · 07-27-2017, 03:42 PM

Many a genre included worldmusic elements back in 80s.
yOU'RE not going to call Popol Vuh neo now are you Batbird?

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I have a Willowglass , but not that specific title. Don't see him as being neoprog in the least.

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Don't know Epica or Temptation. Suspect its much later (metal-****) musics (the Dutch neoprog was late 80s.)

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Troll heart - you cant get into GGiant, VDGG or ELP?

You are a lost soul.
I weep copiously.

The Batlord · 07-27-2017, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by vambo

Many a genre included worldmusic elements back in 80s.
yOU'RE not going to call Popol Vuh neo now are you Batbird?

**** if I know, I don't listen to any of that ****. I'm just throwing shade at Trollheart.

And yes, Epica and Within Temptation are ****ty metal bands for angsty teens.

Trollheart · 07-27-2017, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

It doesn't say "new age" or "tepid" verbatim, no, but what it does say

Is basically the same thing.

The wiki entry itself says that it's a prog subgenre, not just any old prog music made after 1980. That was my original point.

So again, why are you posting this as if it isn't saying the same thing as me?

That's all down to your own interpretation of what's tepid and new-age. I'm just pointing out there's a lot more to it than you were willing to admit. As usual, cherry-picking, but whatev, what do I care?

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Your own source contradicts you.

Since when was world music new age, dumbass?

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Originally Posted by vambo

Many a genre included worldmusic elements back in 80s.
yOU'RE not going to call Popol Vuh neo now are you Batbird?

...
I have a Willowglass , but not that specific title. Don't see him as being neoprog in the least.

I guess. I don't know what you'd call him. It's The Dream Harbour I have anyway. Great album.

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Don't know Epica or Temptation. Suspect its much later (metal-****) musics (the Dutch neoprog was late 80s.)

Yeah you're right there: Epica formed in 2002, Within Temptation 1996.

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Troll heart - you cant get into GGiant, VDGG or ELP?

You are a lost soul.
I weep copiously.

Gentle Giant just did not impress me, but it was only the first album I listened to. ELP I have never liked; heard Tarkus and Brain Salad Surgery. Just bored me. Kind of like early Yes: suites too long and just not engaging, to me. VDGG I am getting into, slowly. I love Pawn Hearts, and some specific songs like "Man-erg" (I think: starts with a slow piano and "A killer lives inside me"?), "Killer", "Refugees", "Whatever would Robert have said?", "The boat of millions of years", "Masks", "Childlike faith in childhood's end", "Darkness", "Lost", a few others. I bought all their albums on vinyl way back when but no longer have a turntable, however I did rebuy them all digitally.

I think the problem with some of these bands is the length of some of their songs, and not only the "old prog" bands. I tried to listen to "The last human gateway" at least five times, and fell asleep every time. And yet I love "Supper's ready", "Grendel", "A plague of lighthouse keepers", "The light", "2112" and other really long songs. I guess a suite has to really engage me to keep my attention, and stuff from Yes/ELP just never really has. I do like newer Yes though, from 90125 to about Union. Wasn't mad about The Ladder, loved ABWH, still working through the albums that followed those.

**Frownland** · 07-27-2017, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

That's all down to your own interpretation of what's tepid and new-age. I'm just pointing out there's a lot more to it than you were willing to admit. As usual, cherry-picking, but whatev, what do I care?

No, there really isn't more to neoprog (which I should clarify is not synonymous with modern prog) than tepid new age crap and nothing you've said here has disproved that.

Trollheart · 07-27-2017, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

No, there really isn't more to neoprog (which I should clarify is not synonymous with modern prog) than tepid new age crap and nothing you've said here has disproved that.

In your opinion.

**Frownland** · 07-27-2017, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

In your opinion.

Not the new age element, but the rest is blatantly an opinion so I don't need to add that redundant ass bit to make your butt a little less hurt.

Trollheart · 07-27-2017, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Not the new age element, but the rest is blatantly an opinion so I don't need to add that redundant ass bit to make your butt a little less hurt.

There is nothing remotely new age about prog, neo or otherwise.

And now I'm done wasting my time talking to you.

Vambo, can you guide me to some good VDGG albums? I really should start checking their stuff out properly. As a matter of interest, how do you stand on Marillion? Are you a fan, casual listener, can't stand them, what? I personally love just about every album with the exception of Somewhere Else (though I'm naturally a big fan of the Fish era, all four albums) and I have yet to listen to Fuck Everyone And Run, though I thought Sounds That Can't Be Made was a little overstretched in some areas.

As for Pendragon, my latest interest, that goes (so far; I'm still listening to all their albums) like this: Believe > Men Who Climb Mountains > Pure > Not Of This World > The Masquerade Overture > Passion > everything else I have yet to listen to. Wasn't sold on the debut though.

You want to try to get me into GG or ELP I'm open to recommendations, but don't expect miracles. Nice to get to talk to a proper prog head, I must say.

**Frownland** · 07-27-2017, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

There is nothing remotely new age about prog, neo or otherwise.

You seriously believe this?

There's nothing new agey about this song by a neoprog giant? That doesnt even catch all of the dimensions of what I'm referring to.

New age is a music genre. It's not an insult unless you (correctly) think that new age is a bad thing to be associated with.

**Frownland** · 07-27-2017, 04:04 PM

Popol Vuh is pretty great though bat.

It would be nonsensical to call them neoprog tbh, but if someone called them new age at least I could chalk that up to ignorance of any kind of ambient music.

07-26-2017, 08:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
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~~vambo~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 102	Many a genre included worldmusic elements back in 80s. yOU'RE not going to call Popol Vuh neo now are you Batbird? ... I have a Willowglass , but not that specific title. Don't see him as being neoprog in the least. ... Don't know Epica or Temptation. Suspect its much later (metal-***) musics (the Dutch neoprog was late 80s.) .... Troll heart - you cant get into GGiant, VDGG or ELP? You are a lost soul. I weep copiously. Last edited by vambo; 07-27-2017 at 03:48 PM.*

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Popol Vuh is pretty great though bat. It would be nonsensical to call them neoprog tbh, but if someone called them new age at least I could chalk that up to ignorance of any kind of ambient music. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x