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Old 01-08-2016, 11:41 AM   #101 (permalink)
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But don't think I've never been one before.
No one said that.
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Old 01-08-2016, 01:44 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Nobody cares about the bands your label attracts.
Really? are you sure?
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Old 01-08-2016, 01:50 PM   #103 (permalink)
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The point is you're talking bollox. You still stick to your rigid definition of "new" prog as being confined to the artistes, good or bad, you get in your studio. The world's a much bigger place man: face it, you're a tiny fish in a massive pond, and some of the sharks out there have teeth you can't even dream of! Examples:

Cosmograff

Karfagen

Spock's Beard

Willowglass

I don't know if these bands or arists (first and last are one-man outfits) use Pro Tools or whatever, and I don't care. They can play. They can compose. They don't get this sort of beauty from pasting stuff on a computer.
All these bands are just minnows in the ocean of what is out there. Not sure your point?
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Old 01-08-2016, 01:51 PM   #104 (permalink)
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That song starts off like Cinema Show, Imho.

GENESIS - THE CINEMA SHOW
It does, fora few seconds. Nothing wrong with that. The music of Willowglass is heavily influenced by 70s Genesis, as is the music of BBT...
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Guy opens a thread about how the last 35 years of prog are vastly inferior to the first 10.
It gradually turns out, that basically the only reason for that is, that he gets sent a lot of stuff where people try to polish their music with digital production gimmicks. Even apart from his ridiculously smug dismissal of everything programmed (although I agree that programmed imitations of instruments do mostly sounds bad), this thread is just about some pet peeve drenched in bias and has nothing really to do with the supposedly overall declining quality of the genre.
I don't think that pointing that out is as much a dick move, as starting this ridiculous discussion in the first place.
Agree with all this.
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Unless the person criticizing it does so in a dickish manner, and you did. You were quite rude to him. The thread may be ridiculous (I couldn't care either way), but people aren't going to want to listen to dick moves. If you want to stop the thread, you could try go back to trying to teach him something.
He was quite rude to us.
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Really? are you sure?
I suppose he should have said "most people", but yeah, basically. If you were/are interested, at all, in having a proper conversation/debate about the current state of prog (not only the largely I assume unknowns on your label) then I would have a lot more respect for you. But you're discounting all the major prog bands, from Dream Theater to Spock and from Arena to Millenium without even discussing them. It seems that in your world the only new prog is what you get sent, and that is just plain loopy.
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Old 01-08-2016, 01:53 PM   #105 (permalink)
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All these bands are just minnows in the ocean of what is out there. Not sure your point?
You are coming off more and more like a troll dude.

Spock's Beard a minnow in current Prog? Extremely idiotic thing to say, or post, or think.
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Guy opens a thread about how the last 35 years of prog are vastly inferior to the first 10.
It gradually turns out, that basically the only reason for that is, that he gets sent a lot of stuff where people try to polish their music with digital production gimmicks. Even apart from his ridiculously smug dismissal of everything programmed (although I agree that programmed imitations of instruments do mostly sounds bad), this thread is just about some pet peeve drenched in bias and has nothing really to do with the supposedly overall declining quality of the genre.
I don't think that pointing that out is as much a dick move, as starting this ridiculous discussion in the first place.
The genre of progressive rock laid out in the 70's has fallen completely out of the popular consciousness, we can agree on that?

Something happened, and I do think it is worthy of discussion. Why not here? I am interested in what others think. Many of the artists we work with have similar dissent.

By the way, Spock's beard guys have worked with guys from our label.
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By the way, Spock's beard guys have worked with guys from our label.
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You are coming off more and more like a troll dude.

Spock's Beard a minnow in current Prog? Extremely idiotic thing to say, or post, or think.
If I walk down the street today and ask 100 people if they have heard of Spock's Beard, I would be lucky to find one person who has. No doubt about this.

Now in 1975 if I did the same for any number of prog bands from YES to ELP to Pink Floyd to Tull etc… it would be hard to find someone who had not heard of them.

As far as Spock's, we have worked with some of those guys.
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Point?
We are not living in some vacuum here.
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Old 01-08-2016, 02:10 PM   #110 (permalink)
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You are coming off more and more like a troll dude.

Spock's Beard a minnow in current Prog? Extremely idiotic thing to say, or post, or think.
Spock's is a minnow also in the greater scope of music that the popular culture embraces.

The youth culture is going to electronica shows, not Spock's or other prog acts that people think are so popular.

I recently went to see a modern prog band that you would think is huge if you read internet forums and they couldn't fill 50 seats. It was a decent show but it wasn't Gentle Giant in 1975.
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