Um nihlism has nothing to do with abolishing government or religion. Nihlism is just the belief that government and religion are pointless as is most of life like reading the paper, cooking big meals, going to work, making the bed. Nihilism more or less just denies everything with no goal towards individual autonomy or anything else. Nihilism is a much more self serving mindset where as anarchism strives for an almost utopian society with belief in individuals .

I disagree, indeed most of what you stated can be renderd without point but govermant, religeon, law, moral values all condition the individuals freedom and percpetion, if you control the Value you control the action and the outcome, if the power exists to manipulate us with false and baseless values then i see no reason not to discard of such a power if for anything, personal freedom, it is self serving but the eradication of this refuse is beneficial to the self in an objective sense.

The vision of a world free of this is a Nihilistic Vision but there would be many instabilties that lead to unnatural human actions (Suicide being one example) were all of it to go and the the Values still remain...how one would achive such a revolution and the actions taken to achive it define the difference between an Anachists revolution and that of a Nihilists.

I quote:

"The randomness of nature is a powerful asset because it negates the credibility of teleology, that purposeful predestination that undermines freewill. So one actually has the option to passively accept the socio-historically established concoction of absolutes, truth and moral laws, the objective reality which can be nothing but myth. Or they can accept real for what it is and assume the healthier role of active participant constantly defining existence through perception and intelligence. In this way defining existence is predicated upon life, conscious awareness of sensory input combined with critical interpretation of what that input means. And the more highly developed the conscious or the greater the intelligence the more effective and meaningful is existence.

Passivity is a myth. We are all intricately enmeshed within a dynamic system that doesn't just demand but compels active decision-making.


Hence the difference between passive 'social' and active 'political' nihilism is that one accepts whatever happens within futility and pointlessness while the other destroys/creates meaning and value. Which path a person takes is a personal decision within the limits of ability and that means one does have choice; existence is not predetermined or fatally ordained. However default answers and the compulsion of conformity shouldn't be overlooked. Reality is contextual."

(Freydis)

i think most guys do that just for fun

thats not funny man i cant tell if someones sarcastic on the internet:confused:

Wasn't being sarcastic dude.

then if you ask me your a poser if your going to run around thinking your punk atleast by the clothes at a show

What!? You dont buy all of your clothes from Hot Topic. You are not punk

Yeah cause i so around with my 8 inch mohawk and studs on that leather jacket im always wearing :rolleyes:

A "nihilistic revolution" would never occur. Nihilism would most likely dictate that revolution was a waste of time becuase, wel damn b thats going to be alot of work for nothing. A nihlist would have nothing to do with politics because well politics involve organization and futility thus they are a trivial establishment of man not to be dealt with. Nihlism offers no incredible goals of revolution or autonomy or anything els for that matter all it offers is is a system by which one can say that they find stuff to pointless to partake in its a pretty selfish concept. Where as anarchism does in facts have the goal of individual autonomy for EVRY person and the belief more so that the only way possible of acheeiving this is through a revolution that could never be achieved through a nihlistic lifestyle. Especially if you look at anrcho-collectivism the idea is nearly the exact reciprocal of nihlism, individuals working together to live happily ever after.


I really dont understand what a nihlist would create or destroy simply because the nihlistic philosphy is sort of, "why break it if they will bui;d it again" or "why build it if it could break"

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I don't see society as pointless infact i see it as near inevitable given that man has evolved as a society, it is simply that todays society is one of Hypocritical Values, False Absolutes, and Restriction of Action. Humans are highly networked social creatures and as a result of this the values which we adopt are based on the society we exist within and based on what goals we are trying to acchive, The Redutction based methodology of Nihilsm teaches us that no value is absolute as we have to adjust these values to fit our ever changing enviroment so our values can be said to be in continual flux.

But the society we exist within presents us with an impossible self destructive code in which to live our lives, a code based very much on Hypocritical Values which can easily lead one to concoct such false absolutes as Religeon, infact in such a state Schizophrenia is likely as ones own Values is restricted by the "false" enfourced values of those in power and hence become two people, who you really are, and who you have to be.

With more concoting their own false absolutes and Dogma's, with more seeking peace the only way they can (self destruction). its a world of absurdity that one must change in order to survive!, that is why a Revolution would have point..and that point being for the sake of ones own survival,

The Philosophie of Nihilism is questionable as is everything in life, but there are aspects to it which allow us to discard of false absolutes go on to live a healthier yet still limited life, Death is inevitable but so many bring their already limited lives to an end through either a Slow Death (Alchahol, Drugs) or a Quick one (Suicide) this is not natural to man but a result of the diseased society we exist within, the only logical thing to do would be to act!.

I put Nihilism and Anarchy in the same Context not because of Practice but because they both share similar enemies.

And the original reason for me mentioning this was because some Punk music expresses almost Nihilistic concepts.

Didn't Nietzche condemn Christianity as "nihilism" because it took away the importance of living life and instead said that the only point of life was to go to heaven?

I always thought that the core tenent of nihilism was the futility and meaninglessness of life, and that Nihilism thus would not see any point in living a long, healthy life, as you have suggested.

In any case, there's different definitions of Nihilism, but with all direct references of "nihilism" regarding punk music, it has always been an almost self-destructive, **** the world attitude (see Sid Vicious).

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p.s. i probally shouldnt rag on hot topic too much i have bought 2 shists there but for the most part i wear home made shirts¤

^ you call yourself anti prep and anti mainstream yet you shop at a gap store?

haha... its funny cos misfits is ripping...

i dont shop at a gap store and i'm not anti prep and mainstream annoys me

P.S

me and mike are diffrerent people

You said you had two shirts from hot topic.

Hey, gap has some good cloths. You can't be picky on what you wear unless you have money.

least your mum didnt make you take the studs out...

Ive been punk for about a month because my friends anre all into bloody Cradle Of Filth and were trying there hardest to get me into it but i wasnt interested. They were bugging me for weeks and i just turned around to my mate ash and said that theres moreto music than just Cradle Of Filth and he wouldnt believe me. So i went out looking for better stuff to listen to and everything just steered me towards punk, so i gave it a go and god dammit i like it! Soon after i bought the Punkorama Boxset and ive liked punk ever since. Well, enough of the lifestory, lol

yup, because buying the punkorama boxset is get-punk-quick scheme.

early Plasmatics, then go t fuelled mroe quite a bit later in life by lookng for older stuff a co-worker might like such as GG Allin, GBH, but most recently defintiely GG Allin

lmao good reply half baked

LMAO OMG! take a hike, turd.

i got into punk through the worst way possible, through bands like New Found Glory, Green Day and Blink. since then have found bands that piss al over them, such as the sex pistols, dead kennedys and the misfits, etc etc.... and i think walking around with my suspenders hanging down makes me look cool.....then again im from australia

^Thats how most people got into punk.

I started listening to NOFX and Rancid, then at some point I stumbled across the Dead Kennedys, and then - hallelujah - one of my friends gave me his box set - No Thanks! The 70's Punk Rebellion, which has got to be the greatest box set ever. The best part is, half the songs aren't even punk. It's just great music.