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Marie Monday 05-17-2022 10:40 AM

Sounds like you haven't tried post-punk

Ayn Marx 07-04-2022 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2205066)
Sounds like you haven't tried post-punk

I’ll try anything once (apart from ICE and sex with animals). Either being cursed with perfect pitch or just plain musical snobbery means I can’t handle some forms of music. I have the same reaction to Dixieland Jazz and 99% of musicals.

Marie Monday 07-04-2022 10:14 AM

No Ayn's tastes are good but just limited because of ignorance

SGR 07-04-2022 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2209368)
I’ll try anything once (apart from ICE and sex with animals). Either being cursed with perfect pitch or just plain musical snobbery means I can’t handle some forms of music. I have the same reaction to Dixieland Jazz and 99% of musicals.

What's wrong with ice? Always works wonders to keep my drinks cold.

But yeah, don't write off punk so quickly - definitely at least try some post-punk.

Here's a couple great ones:





And have you listened to The Fall before? If not, you definitely have to - if you want to be one of the cool kids, at least.


The Batlord 07-04-2022 12:45 PM

Elph is shaking cause of the dixieland disrespect.

Frownland 07-04-2022 01:04 PM

Nah it's incredibly useful for improvisation and sight reading.

jadis 07-04-2022 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2209368)
I’ll try anything once (apart from ICE and sex with animals). Either being cursed with perfect pitch or just plain musical snobbery means I can’t handle some forms of music. I have the same reaction to Dixieland Jazz and 99% of musicals.

Having a perfect pitch has very little to do with one's musical ability or taste. Wagner, Schumann and Leonard Bernstein didn't have it, you and I do have it. Nuff said.

Identifying the notes helps you a lot in basic solfege, which is why it's so highly prized by music teachers who work with beginners, and it allows proud moms to fantasize that their precious darlings are musical geniuses. Being able to identify individual notes has nothing to do with the way in which these notes go together, which is where music comes in. Nothing to do with being able to compose or perform, no more than winning a spelling bee has any relation to being a talented writer.

Your preference for euphonious, bland, non-offending sonorities has to do with many factors, i.e. cultural, temperamental, generational etc. The absolute pitch is an acoustic factor, not even a musical one.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2209402)
you're not a snob, you just have bad tastes

sorry to break that to you

He's a snob alright in the sense that he tries to ape the tastes of those he perceive as his superiors in the hope of passing himself off as one of them. I agree that he has atrocious taste though.


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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2209422)
Nah it's incredibly useful for improvisation and sight reading.

In my experience it only hindered me in those things. I had a cheat code when it came to solfege/music theory, unlike those who actually had to memorize and understand chord sequences. There were kids who were so much better than me at both improvising and sight reading on the piano despite me having both the perfect pitch and higher technical facility due to starting early and studying with Soviet teachers.

jadis 07-04-2022 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SGR (Post 2209409)

And have you listened to The Fall before? If not, you definitely have to - if you want to be one of the cool kids, at least.


In addition to everything else, the perfect album cover and the perfect album title. "Perverted by language", so Lacanian. "From the Freudian point of view, man is the subject captured and tortured by language."

Marie Monday 07-04-2022 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jadis (Post 2209433)
He's a snob alright in the sense that he tries to ape the tastes of those he perceive as his superiors in the hope of passing himself off as one of them. I agree that he has atrocious taste though.

naw he likes Joni Mitchell and Kate Bush

Ayn Marx 07-04-2022 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2209402)
you're not a snob, you just have bad tastes

sorry to break that to you

One man’s meat is another man’s poison.

jadis 07-12-2022 05:06 PM

Anyway I'm hereby cleansing this thread of talk about special boys in special schools who have the special pitch and returning it to punk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brtGLeNR12g

The Batlord 07-13-2022 09:51 AM

I really want to like The Slits more cause that cover of "Heard It Through the Grapevine" and their earlier more traditional punk songs are pure fire, but I just cant really get into their album material. Maybe one day it'll click.

Marie Monday 07-13-2022 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2210413)
I really want to like The Slits more cause that cover of "Heard It Through the Grapevine" and their earlier more traditional punk songs are pure fire, but I just cant really get into their album material. Maybe one day it'll click.

I think it will, it also took me longer than similar bands like the raincoats

borntodie 09-02-2023 10:31 AM

Slits are great


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