is punk a fasion or a way of life? (members, show)

bruise_violet · 08-30-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KRUGER

but that's what i mean, the mohawk doesn't prove your punk. ask that 40 year old who had a mohawk when he was seventeen and i bet his ideals are still true this day as they were back then. punk lies within to me.

My uncle 'was a punk' and although he is now bald, he hasn't changed much from what I gather.

If people want to say they are punk, then fine. It is only words.

Raine · 08-31-2006, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KRUGER

i have been in the punk\hardcore scene for almost a decade. i have seen many changes in style. (i.e. clothing and music.) but the one thing that seems to stay the same with the "real" people in the scene is their beliefs. i hate the people who say you have to look certian way, comb your hair, wear certian clothes, or add "punk" accesories to your outfit. punk is not a fashion. punk is self-preservation. doing for you, having fun and being yourself. i have been listening to screamo for a long time, and i hate when people say, hey you don't have black hair and tight pants. you don't weigh 70 lbs. you don't belong. punk is not a fashion. check yourself before you check the label.

"i'll be original, so long as someone does it first?"

There's a contradiction in there.

In any event punk should just be a music genre and the name for a coward.
All that junk about scene kids and whatever should just stop.
You're not much of a rebel if you ditch your individuality to become one of the of majority.

KRUGER · 09-01-2006, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Raine

There's a contradiction in there.

In any event punk should just be a music genre and the name for a coward.
All that junk about scene kids and whatever should just stop.
You're not much of a rebel if you ditch your individuality to become one of the of majority.

did you not see the question mark at the end of the sentence? i was writing in satire. and if you think that punk is just a gere of music, then you have a lot to learn. for example, check the inserts of ink and dagger, orchid or even ampere. they give perfect exapnles of what punk is.

Raine · 09-02-2006, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by KRUGER

did you not see the question mark at the end of the sentence? i was writing in satire. and if you think that punk is just a gere of music, then you have a lot to learn. for example, check the inserts of ink and dagger, orchid or even ampere. they give perfect exapnles of what punk is.

Punk is a genre of music and is an idiom in the English language that means coward, wimp and a ton of other things.

and a man of the pen you are not judging by this post.

"There are three or four different kinds of punk rock. There's old punk. There's ska punk. There's pop punk. And then there's groups like Bikini Kill, even though they've broken up, that fall into the category of traditional punk, as far as real attitude, what punk rock is supposed to be--going against the status quo, educating your peers, and trying to establish that individual expression is more important than homogenization of culture. Which is where we fell into the punk rock."
--Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth

This is one of my favorite quotes ever from a female musician. And let's ignore the band references Kim made.

You can preach all you want about being punk and dressing like you're punk or listening to punk music, but you're just another face in the crowd without individuality. After all isn't hat what being punk was all about? Something new something different, not conforming to anything?

You want to hear punk why don't you listen to The Dead kennedy's.
They found something to rebel against they were different. They were punk.

bruise_violet · 09-03-2006, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Raine

This is one of my favorite quotes ever from a female musician. And let's ignore the band references Kim made.
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Why, whats wrong with Bikini Kill?

swim · 09-03-2006, 10:30 AM

Absolutely fucking nothing.

I guess the only thing that I have contribute to this thread is that I think completely attaching yourself to any scene is dumb.

Blain · 09-04-2006, 12:14 AM

Agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed.

Piss Me Off · 09-04-2006, 03:08 AM

Agreed. Conversation with one of mates the other day.

Me: Hey man, why'd you shave your hair off?
Him: Well i thought 'I like a lot of punk music and i like the ideals of punk' so i thought i should get a mohawk, but it turned out **** so i had to shave it off.
Me: Surely the ideals of punk are not to conform, to do what you want and be yourself?
Him: Hmmmmm....

<3 Bikini Kill <3

Raine · 09-04-2006, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bruise_violet

Why, whats wrong with Bikini Kill?

nothing I thought she made references to another band that I don't really consider punk.

Bikini Kill is aweomse

DontRunMeOver · 09-04-2006, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KRUGER

punk is not a fashion. punk is self-preservation. doing for you, having fun and being yourself.

That is not punk. That is basic human survival and autonomy. Suggesting that a punk is anybody who doesn't let external influences control their behaviour is silly. The punk movement arrived in the 1970's. People have always carried out self-directed actions and lifestyles and have been doing so forever. Self-preservation, doing for you, having fun and being yourself ALL predate punk and they can all be applied to lots of other music related movements and lots of other lifestyles which people give all manner of names.

The rich 80's city banker who earns a shedload each day (self-preservation, doing for you) and then goes and has coke-and-hookers parties at an exclusive club and listens to Phil Collins and Duran Duran with his other Oxford educated chums (having fun, being yourself). Is he punk?

Trying to call everything punk gives the movement a false air of importance which I don't think it deserves. It had its place and time when it was important and to those who were present during the original movement, it may have had a big and continued impact on their lives.

But for most people, its yet another musical movement which can be discovered by those who weren't there, can be remembered by those who were there and can be played by new lame-ass rip-off bands who are just as unoriginal and uninventive as any other set of 60's, 80's and 90's copyist bands around at the moment.

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swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	Absolutely fucking nothing. I guess the only thing that I have contribute to this thread is that I think completely attaching yourself to any scene is dumb. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

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Piss Me Off Moodswings n' Roundabouts Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: At the corner of Dude and Catastrophe Posts: 4,512	Agreed. Conversation with one of mates the other day. Me: Hey man, why'd you shave your hair off? Him: Well i thought 'I like a lot of punk music and i like the ideals of punk' so i thought i should get a mohawk, but it turned out **** so i had to shave it off. Me: Surely the ideals of punk are not to conform, to do what you want and be yourself? Him: Hmmmmm.... <3 Bikini Kill <3 __________________ Last FM Rate Yr Music Muxtape

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Blain w0rd Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Suva, Fiji Posts: 1,034	Agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed.