Haha I wasn't saying Simple Plan was emo, I was joking about them being punk.

what, you think simple plan aren't punx?

:O

omg liek u dun ev3n no wat punx i5!!

I don't mean to be rude, but are you retarded? I just said that it would be naive to call Fugazi or Cursive Emo because music has always dealt with emotions, and you agreed with me except that you thought I was being foolish which didn't make any sense. Because......

Emo doesn't mean emotional music, all music is emotional.

I'm agreeing with that. Again, when I say "Emo" I'm referring to new-age Emo and the genre/fad currently popular at the moment and not music in general.

This http://myspace-169.vo.llnwd.net/0067...71276169_l.jpg emotional?

Just saw this post. I agree that Fugazi and Cursive aren't "Emo" but they have been referred to as Emo in the past when Emo was just a word used to label post-punk or indie that no one really had a specific name for yet. So I absolutely agree that introspection and emotions don't equal Emo. But there is such a thing as new-age Emo, with bands like My Chemical Romance and Fall Out Boy and Panic! At The Disco and AFI and whoever else. Which is just poppy bands pretending to be punk or post-punk or "Emo" or whatever and marketing mild depression and thoughts of suicide to young teenagers. Genre standards may not change, but the messages found in the music and image does and this new-age Emo is just a way to sell records while telling kids it's ok to drown in your own misery and never have to take care of any of your problems because that's the cool thing to do.

AFI is a washed up hardcore punk band...

How is it new-age emo? because you believe anything MTV tells you?

I hate MTV. MTV blows so much ass. I also hate AFI.

Sorry, I don't watch MTV. It's new-age Emo because it's commonly referred to as Emo (I didn't invent the genre name) and unlike other past bands that were commonly referred to as being "Emo" (which I agree is a silly name to begin with) it is simply pop and is only made to market an image and sell lots of records to seemingly disturbed kids. Why does that label upset you so much? Again, calling any type of music Emo is stupid in my opinion and I think bands like Fall Out Boy or MCR should just call themselves "pop", which they would if they had the balls and actually knew that that's all they were, but nobody would ever know what I was talking about without saying something to the effect of "new-age Emo."

So Simple Plan and Good Charlotte are "New Age Punk?

No, they're new age pop artists marketing themselves as punk to sell more records. I honestly hope they're run over.

^ hahahaha i they are also very hiprocritical considering that they have a song agiasnt rich and famos poeple and all of them own atleast 4 cars and have mansions

When did I say that? I'm not telling you what my definition of "Emo" is, but what society's term for this genre of music is. What's your definition of Emo?

I don't think I would say emo is the best subgenre of punk, but its pretty good. I listened to just punk and ska for like two years, but in the last year I've been really getting into hardcore, screamo, and emo. One reason I was drawn to these genres is because I'm a guitarist and hardcore/screamo/emo bands offer more technical guitar riffs and complex song structures than (most) punk. I still like punk, but I haven't been listening to it much in the last year.

Possibly:
Screamo>Hardcore>Punk>Emo

But there's such variety in emo that its hard to place. Some I like a lot, but the more indie-influenced stuff I'm not real big on.

I wouldn't ever call AFI emo, even wth their older stuff. Black Sails etc hardcore, Decemberunderground pop punk.

Ima guess you've only heard Decemberunderground. Specially seeing as you compared Bright Eyes to Bad Religion yet Bright Eyes easily smack the **** out of them.

this topic is inciting such incredible RAGE among both sides of the argument. can't we all just agree that everything ties into punk in someway through history, whether it is a strong tie or the equivalent of a fly landing on a drink, and that means that practically all genres of music are (falsely or not) a subgenre of punk, and that also means that the world of music is a subgenre of punk, and since everything is punk we should burn all the pop children... correct or not (it was definitely not, if you couldn't see that), you know I'm onto something with that pop children burning thing... and then we can all get chelsea's and mohawk, and be happy... I'm tired

Or we could just completely disregard genres and only judge music as good or bad on a band-to-band basis.

And I have to say that I enjoyed everything by AFI up to Decemberunderground, which I can't stand. Even Sing the Sorrow wasn't too bad. It certainly was more interesting and creative than their earliest hardcore punk records.

youre probably like the millionth person who has suggested getting rid of genres completely but yeah it doesnt work like that

decemberunderground wasnt a punk album it wasnt even hardcore bands are allowed to make one bad cd in their career afi chose to do that with decemberunderground because that album wasnt good of course some other bands abusive that priviledge and every album they release isnt good


"emo" is its own genre its not a sub-genre of punk

You could think like that but the music bins at record stores say otherwise, not that I agree or disagree

How could emo not be a sub-genre when it's derived from hardcore punk?

It's cool to start controversial topics and all but...

Yeah. What actually IS Emo? The hell if I know.

But with all the fuss from both sides, it's gotta be pretty damn good.

not really

Emotive hardcore. I'd recommend Heroine, Moss Icon, Indian Summer, and Antioch Arrow as places to start.

http://www.musicbanter.com/hardcore-...on-thread.html


Go.

It's derived from hardcore punk. Pg. 99 always viewed themselves as a punk band as did Rites of Spring.

I don't think we should completely do away with genres, but we shouldn't judge entire genres as good or bad, and automatically judge bands just by their genre. There are good and bad bands in almost every genre. I'm not sure if there are any good country bands, though, but some country inspired punk bands are pretty decent, as was the Vandals country cd.

We'll have to see if AFI's next cd is decent, but many bands (mainstream or not) don't recover after putting out one horrible record. I'll definately give their next cd a chance, just because they've proven that they can write great music.

I don't see why so many people bash decemberunderground and call it their one bad record. Sing the Sorrow sucked too.

so did The Art of Drowning

how can emo be derived from hardcore punk? punk and emo have nothing in common

You've never heard emo.

Thats funny considering it was around in the 80s.

IMO Sing the Sorrow was one of their best. I've been listen it alot lately, it has great work musically.

Emo is good music, but your misunderstanding the straight up fact that: Emo is not the best type of punk music, because its not even punk music AT ALL! Errr, it really pisses me off when stupid emo fans treat emo music like its punk music. Well emo music is not at all, nor anywhere near punk music. So its times like these when Im confused between option
A) Blowing off the brainless head of every stupid emo fan
and
B) Throwing out anything I own that is linked to an emo band because I dont want to be considered a babbling idiot

So in conclusion: Emo is music is not punk music, quit stupiding away un****ed up emo fans.

Lollercaust.

Bit late for that i'm afraid

Clearly has his **** down.

Emo = Emotive Hardcore
Hardcore = punk
Emo = punk