All_Nite_Dinah

Thats crap. Sorry but you cant deny facts. And the fact is that the music industry has been hurting real bad recently and the fact that kids refuse to help support bands dosnt help any. Especially in a punk community where you can't depend on making any money off of concerts. Most punk cds are VERY fairly priced so it dosnt hurt at all to help support the scene. Granted lots of kids discover new music via programs like limewire and ares but unfortunetly lots of those kids will never buy that cd. They will just download the stuff burn it and call it a day. I've seen plenty of local distros go through hell because no one was buyingthere products. hungry Ghosts based out of Middleton for example. Kids wouldnt buy records because they could find mp3's and the ones who did buy didnt buy enough. As someone who plans on starting a distro/label someday it kills me to see people downloading entire cataloges of music.
So if you ever want a career in music, want to support bands and labels, or want your favortie band to put out another cd think twice before burning cds.

east_coast_chic_gcfreak

Everyone, you need to go out right now i dont care wat time it is but you need to go buy the rancid cd NOW!!!! lol. oh yeah and the mest cd. AND DEFINITLY (or however you spell it) GOOD CHARLOTTE, THE CHRONICLES OF LIFE AND DEATH, DEATH AND LIFE VERSION. Both versions are freakin awesome.

bert

ill let you have your apenion but i will just walk away because my slers are affending

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Thrice

So is your lack of intelligence.

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Oi_To_The_World

i think the biz in general is profiting from music downloading, because it introduces people to new music, encourages people to come to shows, and people tend to spread the word about good bands, etc. For punk, i agree with you. downloading probably fuks their profits. but they arent profiting much to begin with. and it seems most punk bands are the ones who encourage pirating, because they want their name out there- which may be more important than profit specifics.

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All_Nite_Dinah

http://www.riaa.com/issues/piracy/default.asp

"Each year, the industry loses about $4.2 billion to piracy worldwide -- "we estimate we lose millions of dollars a day to all forms of piracy."

"Record companies lose. Eighty-five percent of recordings released don’t even generate enough revenue to cover their costs. Record companies depend heavily on the profitable fifteen percent of recordings to subsidize the less profitable types of music, to cover the costs of developing new artists, and to keep their businesses operational. The thieves often don’t focus on the eighty-five percent; they go straight to the top and steal the gold. "

"Finally, and perhaps most importantly, the creative artists lose. Musicians, singers, songwriters and producers don’t get the royalties and fees they’ve earned. Virtually all artists (95%) depend on these fees to make a living. The artists also depend on their reputations, which are damaged by the inferior quality of pirated copies sold to the public. "


Sorry pal but you cant dispute the facts. Granted lots of people will buy a cd after hearing some of the tracks off of it, but how often? Maybe 1 out of 5 cds the download they will acctualy purchase. Whatever, your entitled to your ideas. Im just expressing the other side of the issue which isnt heard as often that piracy is bad.

Oi_To_The_World

^ actually most people i know (even those who do download) think pirating is bad and not good for the artists. even with the math you presented, i still cannot agree that pirating is a bad thing. There are so many bands/artists i would have never imagined existed if it were not for it. True, i have not bought many cds lately because of it, but i have attended many shows, bought merchandise, and told friends about bands that ive directly discovered online.
what if the artists had control over what was online for free and what wasnt? is there a way the labels and artists could come up with a way to not lose money and at the same time not file frivolous lawsuits against the one-in-a-trillion unlucky people?

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YummyYummyPunkRockGirl

Gang Green is pretty good, they actually are doing a few reunion shows the next few months here around boston.
Zippo Raid is also really good. I have their CD. Fun stuff like 'Greg is a ****in pussy' and my new fav not on the cd 'Show us your Tits'. website is www.zipporaid.com
and if you like them, check out Nobodys Heroes new CD 'Cartoons and Comicbooks' from amp records. www.geocities.com/nobodysheroes_boston