Is Old School Punk an actual genre? (techno, hardcore, jazz)

ObiSobi · 02-17-2008, 12:03 PM

I've asked this question to several punk rock fans. The ones who were green day fans said no. The ones who werent said yes.

It's easy to see the connection here, Green Day.

Some see GD as "New Punk", along with bands like Blink 182 and Sum 41.

Others think that punk hasn't changed enough to create the "Old School" subgenre.

What do you think?

Inuzuka Skysword · 02-17-2008, 01:45 PM

Green Day is music for 13 year old boys. Green Day fans are usually wrong about everything.

sleepy jack · 02-17-2008, 02:26 PM

Blink-182/Green Day haven't even been pop punk in a long time (though blink was really only pop-punkish on like their really early stuff) and Sum 41 never were.

Lizzie · 02-17-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Green Day is music for 13 year old boys. Green Day fans are usually wrong about everything.

Agreed

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Originally Posted by berlisishott

Some see GD as "New Punk", along with bands like Blink 182 and Sum 41.

I don't see any of that as 'new punk' though, or punk rock at all......so I'm not a Green Day fan, but I still don't see 'Old School Punk' as an actual genre or anything.....a band is either punk rock, or it's not

ObiSobi · 02-17-2008, 04:48 PM

Green Day mascuades as punk rock. That's why when certain people ask other people "Whats your fav genre?" some are hesitent to say Punk Rock, because others (ecspecially Metalheads) automaticly think Green Day.
Annoys me to death!

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-17-2008, 05:52 PM

Yes old punk is a genre, and it's right up there with 'old jazz' , 'old techno' . 'old polka' and 'post not quite as post as it is now rock'.

can_i_say · 02-19-2008, 01:41 AM

Punk has always been pop. Example - The Ramones.

ObiSobi · 02-19-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by can_i_say

Punk has always been pop. Example - The Ramones.

Uh no. But there is such a genre as "Pop Punk". Example - Paramore

teshadoh · 02-19-2008, 12:23 PM

Mike Watt has his own opinion of punk - it ended in the mid to late 1980's. Personally I can't say I completely agree with him, but he does have a point. Consider psychedelic music, it clearly had it's time & place in the late 1960's, but since then numerous bands have reinvented the genre, particularly in the 1980's.

The point being - punk music was clearly a current music genre in the 1970's through 1980's. Once punk music wained it no longer became an active genre - see 'post-punk' following 1970's UK punk or 'hardcore' following early 1980's US hardcore punk. So I don't know what any punk since 1990 really is - certainly Fugazi is punk, but what about any band that started from scratch since then?

teshadoh · 02-19-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by berlisishott

Uh no. But there is such a genre as "Pop Punk". Example - Paramore

I agree with him - 'punk' was a counter movement to 1970's metal & progressive rock. Punk bands of the 1970's were really just playing early 1960's pop / garage rock but with more energy. Take a look at most UK punk - it was treated as pop music by the masses, albeit a completely different form of pop music.

02-17-2008, 12:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
ObiSobi Destroyer of Guitars Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 147	Is Old School Punk an actual genre? I've asked this question to several punk rock fans. The ones who were green day fans said no. The ones who werent said yes. It's easy to see the connection here, Green Day. Some see GD as "New Punk", along with bands like Blink 182 and Sum 41. Others think that punk hasn't changed enough to create the "Old School" subgenre. What do you think?

02-17-2008, 05:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Yes old punk is a genre, and it's right up there with 'old jazz' , 'old techno' . 'old polka' and 'post not quite as post as it is now rock'. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

02-19-2008, 01:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
can_i_say Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Toon Posts: 226	Punk has always been pop. Example - The Ramones. __________________ meh

02-17-2008, 01:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Inuzuka Skysword Existential Egoist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,468	Green Day is music for 13 year old boys. Green Day fans are usually wrong about everything.

02-17-2008, 04:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
ObiSobi Destroyer of Guitars Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 147	Green Day mascuades as punk rock. That's why when certain people ask other people "Whats your fav genre?" some are hesitent to say Punk Rock, because others (ecspecially Metalheads) automaticly think Green Day. Annoys me to death!

02-19-2008, 12:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
teshadoh Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 94	Mike Watt has his own opinion of punk - it ended in the mid to late 1980's. Personally I can't say I completely agree with him, but he does have a point. Consider psychedelic music, it clearly had it's time & place in the late 1960's, but since then numerous bands have reinvented the genre, particularly in the 1980's. The point being - punk music was clearly a current music genre in the 1970's through 1980's. Once punk music wained it no longer became an active genre - see 'post-punk' following 1970's UK punk or 'hardcore' following early 1980's US hardcore punk. So I don't know what any punk since 1990 really is - certainly Fugazi is punk, but what about any band that started from scratch since then?