you and me both.

You find it in Dream Theater? :confused:

Theyll find more. We used to complain about Hootie, Nickelback and Creed in the same way. They just keep coming back.

I hope you're right. Against Me's new album seemed to poppy for me.

The world would be much better if everyone would just agree that punk died in the mid '80's. That doesn't even mean I don't like any post mid 80's 'punk' bands, Sleater Kinney & Fugazi awesome at what they do - but I would consider them more Indie Rock.

90's Indie Rock, 80's Hardcore / Underground are the direct descendants of punk. Any other band that simulates their sound & look are doing so in nostalgia or at best homage. I won't even say they suck, are sell outs, or any negative terms - but the post mid 80's punk bands are performing in a vacuam far removed from what punk WAS.

You can bands influenced by rockabilly, psychedelica, bands influenced by prog-rock, bands influenced by new wave - but those genres are deeply rooted in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's respectavely. Otherwise, those too are ancient genres that can influence bands later, but those bands do not belong in the same genre. They are 'new', 'post' or 'revival'.

This post is :banghead: incarnate.

by the way the first adjective that comes to mind when thinking about good charlotte and fall out boy.

i can make a list of adjectives i DO think of but it would be a long line of ****************************.

Dude, Get your head out of your ass. "Punk" can't die. you are completely ignoring skatepunk, hardcore, ska-punk, etc. While those bands aren't original at all, they sure as hell aren't doing it for the money.

this is true but there are no "skate-punk" or "ska-punk" bands that can even come close to comparing to successful punk bands think about it......

How do you mean "successful" punk bands?