Ha. The Hive's new album is guilty of that.I hope they aren't close to selling out though.

i don't necessarily like patricks voice however pete's lyrics i think are really good.

some people call them sell outs as an excuse to stop listening to them was because they got popular. and you know how some people just can't bear to listen to mainstream music anymore.

Every band is a "sell out"... they are trying to "sell out" seats :)

I never heard any fall out boy music but the term sell out is a dumb one when it comes to musical acts... a band isn't one persons personal possession, they are a business trying to stay in business by gaining as many customers as they possibly can. I support any decisions my favorite bands make in order to "stay in business" and when it doesn't work, they will try something else.

That's probably where most people are going to disagree with you. Most people see music as much more than business they see it as an art. Most bands who view their music as business completely suck anyway and are obviously in it for the wrong reasons.

so should I add this entry into the "unpopular opinions" thread? :)

I think bands that don't have a good sense of business more then likely get screwed and become "that band that wrote that song, who were they again?". Like anything you need a good plan before you just go out there and show the world what you got. Of course to that artist the music is their art but in order for it to get to our ears and be deciphered as art it needs to be pumped through the music business factory. This is just relating to bands that are popular... not talking about local acts that (outside of that town) nobody really knows about. If a band wants to stay relevant and continue to sell, they need to play the game and "sell out".

Think of any band that is more then 20 years old and still popular, I guarantee you somebody in that band has a sharp sense of business and/or they have a damn good manager that is telling them what to do. Just being talented and writing good songs isn't enough, you need to know how to break through and stay relevant.

Um, so The Fall, Dinosaur Jr., Radiohead, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds and Sonic Youth have all lost their relevancy or sold out?

Most of those bands are like the Rolling Stones and should've broken up long ago.

I would actually say yes to losing relevancy, the last I remember hearing anything about Dinosaur JR & Sonic Youth was about 12 years ago, don't know who Nick Cave, Bad Seeds or the fall is. Radiohead is the only one on your list that I still hear about and chances are it's because they are doing what they can to be heard about.

As far as a band staying in the game longer then they really should, if they weren't selling albums or selling out concerts they probably would break up.

You don't need to be massively well known to be relevant, Nick Cave and Sonic Youth's latest albums have been given lots of critical praise in most musical sectors.

You didn't hear anything about Sonic Youth & Dinosaur JR last year?

When Sonic Youth released their best album in ages & were playing sell out dates to their Daydream Nation shows?

And Dinosaur JR getting back together again and releasing a half decent album?

Have you been living under a rock?