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stiff upper lip 08-08-2008 04:39 AM

Punks who hate on Straight edge
 
Recently I was doing sound at a Punk/Hardcore/Metal gig when a hard core band came on, they got hasseled pretty bad from some punks in the crowd... when asking around for the inside gossip I was in formed they were being heckled cos they were all straight edgers in the band..... is it not a part of punk philosophy to stand up for individualism? are they not just having the exact attitude that punk is against?

sweet_nothing 08-08-2008 04:44 AM

How is it individualism if youre conforming to a certan idle and belief?

Piss Me Off 08-08-2008 04:52 AM

I thought it was a given that anyone trying to come across as 'punk' are often just as close minded as anyone else, no matter how they want to come across.

stiff upper lip 08-08-2008 04:52 AM

Individualism; principal of living one's life in one's own way..

sweet_nothing 08-08-2008 04:55 AM

But youre not living your own way, if youre part of a subculture.

Piss Me Off 08-08-2008 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sweet_nothing (Post 504668)
But youre not living your own way, if youre part of a subculture.

Of course you can be. You'll get people that want to jump on the bandwagon but that doesn't mean people who strongly believe in the same causes should be lumped into the same category and given abuse for it.

stiff upper lip 08-08-2008 05:04 AM

Its still your choice to like the things that make you a part of a sub culture, sure its highly influential but you still make your own choices even if they are similar to others.

jackhammer 08-08-2008 05:17 AM

When I was a young metalhead (half a lifetime away) a load of punks gave my friends and I plenty of verbal abuse which was crushing as I thought they would appreciate people off the mainstream. It is a sad fact of life that some people will always try to find something to gripe upon. Damn shame. Smacks of elitism really.

right-track 08-08-2008 06:50 AM

Of course it's elitism, but isn't being Straight Edge also?
Sounds like a case of the cat calling the kettle black to me.
It's all bullshit anyway.

sweet_nothing 08-08-2008 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 504678)
Of course it's elitism, but isn't being Straight Edge also?
Sounds like a case of the cat calling the kettle black to me.

It's all bullshit anyway.

The point I was trying to make, thank you.

Piss Me Off 08-08-2008 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 504678)
Of course it's elitism, but isn't being Straight Edge also?
Sounds like a case of the cat calling the kettle black to me.
It's all bullshit anyway.

Doesn't justify being a dick at gigs though.

sweet_nothing 08-08-2008 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off (Post 504684)
Doesn't justify being a dick at gigs though.

Every scene has it's asorted dicks and assholes.

simplephysics 08-08-2008 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by sweet_nothing (Post 504688)
Every scene has it's asorted dicks and assholes.

not to mention almost all are ****s at shows anyways.

right-track 08-08-2008 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off (Post 504684)
Doesn't justify being a dick at gigs though.

They wouldn't be punks if they weren't.
In my day, getting covered in gob and piss was a quiet night out at a punk gig.

Maybe if they necked a few pints, smoked the odd spliff and got layed once in a while the straight edgers wouldn't be so touchy.

Piss Me Off 08-08-2008 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 504690)
They wouldn't be punks if they weren't.
In my day, getting covered in gob and piss was a quiet night out at a punk gig.

Maybe if they necked a few pints, smoked the odd spliff and got layed once in a while the straight edgers wouldn't be so touchy.

I thought most Manchester nights out were like that?

right-track 08-08-2008 07:46 AM

Ouch! :(

simplephysics 08-08-2008 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 504690)
Maybe if they necked a few pints, smoked the odd spliff and got layed once in a while the straight edgers wouldn't be so touchy.

oh..how I lol'd.

sweet_nothing 08-08-2008 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 504690)
They wouldn't be punks if they weren't.
In my day, getting covered in gob and piss was a quiet night out at a punk gig.

Maybe if they necked a few pints, smoked the odd spliff and got layed once in a while the straight edgers wouldn't be so touchy.

This is just brillant.

Piss Me Off 08-08-2008 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 504692)
Ouch! :(

You know with my Smiths love that i'm in denial :)

right-track 08-08-2008 09:58 AM

Well Morrissey is arguably the Godfather of straight edge.
He was straight edge... before edges were straight. ;)

Piss Me Off 08-08-2008 10:53 AM

The godfather of Emo and now Straight Edge? I bet he's rolling his eyes as we speak! :D

Urban Hat€monger ? 08-08-2008 11:06 AM

What is the point of being straight edge anyway? Is it just to be annoying & preachy?

I mean i've not gone out & killed any whores for at least a year now but you don't see me bragging about it & writing songs about it.

NSW 08-08-2008 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sweet_nothing (Post 504688)
Every scene has it's asorted dicks and assholes.

Isn't that what hot dogs are made of?

rsnjeff 08-09-2008 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 504721)
What is the point of being straight edge anyway? Is it just to be annoying & preachy?

I mean i've not gone out & killed any whores for at least a year now but you don't see me bragging about it & writing songs about it.

There really is no point to it. It's just the morals by which someone chooses to live their life. If someone chooses to not get drunk or high why should other people care. People who get high and drunk sometimes entice others to join them. Is it wrong for a straight edge to try the reverse method and stop others from doing these things?

If you think it is wrong then IMO that makes you a hippocrit.

simplephysics 08-09-2008 12:23 AM

Personally, I think straight edge kids are about ten times more forceful with their beliefs. I've never once found out someone was straight edge and tired to get them to hit the blunt..ect, yet countless times these *******s tell me I'm no good because I smoke and drink and actually smile. Like its been pointed out we all do different things, so what the **** is the problem here?

Urban Hat€monger ? 08-09-2008 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rsnjeff (Post 504952)
There really is no point to it. It's just the morals by which someone chooses to live their life. If someone chooses to not get drunk or high why should other people care. People who get high and drunk sometimes entice others to join them. Is it wrong for a straight edge to try the reverse method and stop others from doing these things?

If you think it is wrong then IMO that makes you a hippocrit.

I don't force people to drink or take drugs , in fact I rarely do either myself, and even if I did i'd let whoever I was with make their own choice.

So no it doesn't make me a hypocrite

rsnjeff 08-12-2008 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 504985)
I don't force people to drink or take drugs , in fact I rarely do either myself, and even if I did i'd let whoever I was with make their own choice.

So no it doesn't make me a hypocrite

Well straight edge people don't force anyone to stop their habits (except for a few but there's always those couple of people who give an entire group a bad name). I think it's great that you don't put down people who choose not to live your life style. Unfortunately we all know that there's always going to be this argument of "He/she doesn't want a hit 'cause he's/she's afraid" and "He's/she's just getting high to act hardcore and he/she can't have fun without it." I just say let's all go to the show and have fun in our own ways and let others do the same. There is no shame in either lifestyle.

lucifer_sam 08-12-2008 12:37 AM

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Straight edge refers to a lifestyle that started within the hardcore punk subculture whose adherents make a commitment to refrain from using alcohol, tobacco, honey-roasted peanuts, and recreational drugs.
I loled when I read that. Hard. Just goes to show wikipedia has a sense of humor.

I honestly have no opinion on this whatsoever. I mean, I think it would be a shame if a person didn't go through life without experiencing the occasional drunken night or easy lay, but I'm not one to force my lifestyle upon other people.

Farfisa 08-12-2008 06:08 AM

I don't see why straight edgers need to be so proud of the fact that they don't do drugs, drink, or have sex. Most of the straight edgers I knew were major potheads that drank and sexed up lots of girls...it's just stupid really.

can_i_say 08-12-2008 06:11 AM

Minor Threat was the only good straight edge band. And they wern't even a straight edge band. Hmmmm...

Brad Stengel 08-12-2008 08:28 PM

Ive known lots of edge kids, and Id say about 80% of them are forceful and whiney(sp) when people drink/do drugs around them. This leads to resentment of people who label themselves "straight edge". Alot of them actively seek out kids that drink to fight them.

Which is also dumb because theres always someone whose more edge- who is VEGAN or ABSTINENT or DOESNT USE VOWELS.

Minstrel 08-28-2008 12:42 PM

The moment there became a concept of "punk fashion" and "punk style," it largely ceased to be meaningful. It's inherently contradictory for a scene defined by self-expression and individualism to start having implicit rules for how a "punk" should look and act.

I'm not 100% sure this is relevant to the topic, but reading all the posts, there felt to me to be a bit of a sense of some proper punk culture. But I can't isolate exactly why I get that sense.

Straight edge doesn't resonate with me (I think the principles are completely arbitrary), but I don't think being straight edge makes you less (or more) punk. I think those who resonated to the original punk ideal of breaking with convention and doing your own thing should be favourable to other breaks with the mainstream. In my experience, though, people who associate closely with punk tend to see metal as the enemy, which is a bit bizarre to me.

the_dp 08-28-2008 01:08 PM

wow, thanks guys. my whole life I used to make fun of straight-edge kids, and now as I get older, haven't ever used drugs, don't drink or smoke and to an even more extreme end, don't have casual sex, I must face the fact that I have inadvertently become straight edge. DAMMIT!!!

Urban Hat€monger ? 08-28-2008 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by the_dp (Post 511756)
wow, thanks guys. my whole life I used to make fun of straight-edge kids, and now as I get older, haven't ever used drugs, don't drink or smoke and to an even more extreme end, don't have casual sex, I must face the fact that I have inadvertently become straight edge. DAMMIT!!!

more blunt edge than straight edge ;)

right-track 08-28-2008 01:10 PM

Straight edge and being square are two different things.


;)

right-track 08-28-2008 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 511759)
more blunt edge than straight edge ;)

^ Damn it! :(

joyboyo53 08-28-2008 01:20 PM

Anyone who claims someone else isnt punk is a moron. Its like saying "you dont fit into a group, a group whos ideaology is about not being associated with a group". I think punk is awesome and retarted for the exact same reason... it's nearly impossible to be punk, and 99% of all punks are posers. Go watch SLC Punk, it does a pretty good job explaining this.

The only person who can ever really know whether or not your are punk, is you. How could someone else possibly know whether or not your beliefs just happen to coincide with that of a group, or if you just trying to fit it?

the_dp 08-28-2008 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track (Post 511764)
Straight edge and being square are two different things.


;)

hahahahhaha!!! oh wait, I am not punk, I guess that takes away the whole straight edge thing. Guess I am just boring. :p:

Brad Stengel 08-28-2008 08:14 PM

If you've ever given half a second of thought into being "punk rock" or someone you know being "punk rock" you are a moron.

Its a label used for those who are without labels.

FireInCairo 08-28-2008 10:48 PM

in my experience straight edge kids are just stupid and whiny...
and in five years you'll see them passed out on a street corner with a bottle of jack and a soiled condom
self denial is just a stupid ideal left over from the catholics.


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