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turbonacular 03-22-2009 08:08 PM

Real hardcore?
 
Does anyone remember back in the days, when there was minor threat, bad brains, etc to take the name of hardcore. Oh the people who ****ed that label up. How dare them. D=<

SATCHMO 03-22-2009 08:20 PM

I would never have called any of those bands hardcore. And yes I WAS around when that whole scene went down.

turbonacular 03-22-2009 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO (Post 620082)
I would never have called any of those bands hardcore. And yes I WAS around when that whole scene went down.

really? that's what we called it back in the days. We called it hardcore, because bands like minor threat and battalion of saints sounded a lot different from lets say dead kennedys and black flag. But yes, nowdays all of that is called old school punk. hmm whatever floats your boat.

SATCHMO 03-22-2009 08:39 PM

At that time hardcore was Agnostic Front, Sick of It All, DOA, Youth Brigade, Slapshot to name a few. Maybe were both right. If you're talking the 80's then yeah, but really at that time there really wasn't much to differentiate those bands from straightforward punk. I don't really see true hardcore coming into effect until the late 80's early 90's.

GravitySlips 03-23-2009 08:00 PM

negative approach!

XbrokenX 03-30-2009 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GravitySlips (Post 621007)
negative approach!

Amen.

dj_Hcore 04-04-2009 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO (Post 620097)
At that time hardcore was Agnostic Front, Sick of It All, DOA, Youth Brigade, Slapshot to name a few. Maybe were both right. If you're talking the 80's then yeah, but really at that time there really wasn't much to differentiate those bands from straightforward punk. I don't really see true hardcore coming into effect until the late 80's early 90's.

agreed on late 80's early 90's

Gareth Brown 04-04-2009 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO (Post 620097)
At that time hardcore was Agnostic Front, Sick of It All, DOA, Youth Brigade, Slapshot to name a few. Maybe were both right. If you're talking the 80's then yeah, but really at that time there really wasn't much to differentiate those bands from straightforward punk. I don't really see true hardcore coming into effect until the late 80's early 90's.

Most of those bands are awful, macho crapola though aren't they really?

Alfred 04-04-2009 05:46 PM

^for sure, I hate that bald headed, basketball jersey wearing, angry hardcore sound so much.

SATCHMO 04-04-2009 06:27 PM

need a tissue?

Alfred 04-04-2009 06:36 PM

What are you talking about?

adaytoremember19 04-06-2009 08:26 PM

there many good hardcore bands today...but most who call themselves hardcore are not truely hardcore, such as the devil wears prada and **** like that. nothing beats the old days though for sure

Unrelenting 04-07-2009 08:18 AM

Yeah, basically every metalcore band out right now is trying to pass themseleves as hardcore

crash_override 04-07-2009 02:00 PM

The meaning of hardcore has kind of changed over the last decade or so. It is kind of a broad category to begin with.

connermcgovern 09-11-2010 11:49 AM

Alfred get out of Herre you don't know real hardcore go listen to prada

Odyshape 09-11-2010 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by connermcgovern (Post 930271)
Alfred get out of Herre you don't know real hardcore go listen to prada

Welcome to mb.

bob. 09-11-2010 02:49 PM



seems like a good enough place to pay a bit of homage to Raymond Barbieri (Raybeez) singer for Warzone....who died today 13 years ago

Alfred 09-13-2010 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by connermcgovern (Post 930271)
Alfred get out of Herre you don't know real hardcore go listen to prada

Hahaha... go listen to Sick Of It All and beat your girlfriend.

TDWP = sh!t btw

jackhammer 09-13-2010 05:41 PM

Anything with Ron Jeremy surely? Or Ginger Lynn Allen ah those were the days.

Janszoon 09-13-2010 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 931282)
Anything with Ron Jeremy surely? Or Ginger Lynn Allen ah those were the days.

:laughing:

Alfred 09-13-2010 06:08 PM

Had to google, but also lol'd.

jackhammer 09-13-2010 06:11 PM

Ron Jeremy. Sweaty legend.
http://thehanafudatimes.com/wp-conte...uper-mario.jpg
None more Hardcore.

Alfred 09-13-2010 06:21 PM

I only know Ron Jeremy from this awesome movie...

http://hl.megashares.com/1605pt3d82977.jpg

Wyrd 09-21-2010 03:59 PM

Would Refused qualify as Hardcore? The Shape of Punk to Come was pretty good, and hardcore, at least, to me.

I got the re-issue by the way. :D

duga 09-22-2010 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 931301)
Ron Jeremy. Sweaty legend.
http://thehanafudatimes.com/wp-conte...uper-mario.jpg
None more Hardcore.

I'll never be able to look at Mario the same again.

HVYMTLROCK 09-22-2010 12:14 PM

That's why Princess Peach always called after Mario...

Alfred 09-25-2010 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyrd (Post 934356)
Would Refused qualify as Hardcore? The Shape of Punk to Come was pretty good, and hardcore, at least, to me.

I got the re-issue by the way. :D

Absolutely, it's quite an experimental album, but it is definitely hardcore.

Good call on the reissue by the way, the live disc is all kinds of awesome.

Wyrd 09-25-2010 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfred (Post 935998)
Absolutely, it's quite an experimental album, but it is definitely hardcore.

Good call on the reissue by the way, the live disc is all kinds of awesome.

The Documentary by Kris is awesome....I also learned how to speak Swedish :D

sleepy jack 09-25-2010 08:53 PM

I LUV BLACK FLAG

:band: <---- black flag

Wyrd 09-25-2010 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 936143)
I LUV BLACK FLAG

:band: <---- black flag

Circle Jerks and The Queers do pretty well.

Mikael 09-27-2010 12:53 PM

I got jumped by two highschoolers in 8th grade for wearing a Green Day t-shirt I bought at hot topic and not knowing who Dead Kennedy's were. Called me f@g and poseur and all that and when I went home I spent an hour reading the punk article on wikipedia. Things went from there and I'm not at all proud of that... but American Idiot is still a good album imo.

Alfred 09-27-2010 06:08 PM

American Idiot slays... kids can be so cruel.

zuluh 10-05-2010 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by adaytoremember19 (Post 631549)
there many good hardcore bands today...but most who call themselves hardcore are not truely hardcore, such as the devil wears prada and **** like that. nothing beats the old days though for sure

:whythis:
The Devil Wears Prada isn't good, they're not even hardcore.. Metalcore at even the lightest, most people don't seem to understand the more modern "hardcore" bands lie within the more melodic scene.

This is Hell, It Prevails, Have Heart, Shai Hulud, Life in your Way, stuff like that really brings it back towards the "older days" fast pace, but let melodies thrown in. Madball / Terror?

Though I absolutely love Have Heart, and they really are the epitome of any ever living "hardcore" alive..

I mean some may disagree, but to each his own?

Togglez 10-05-2010 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by zuluh (Post 939650)
:whythis:
The Devil Wears Prada isn't good, they're not even hardcore.. Metalcore at even the lightest, most people don't seem to understand the more modern "hardcore" bands lie within the more melodic scene.

This is Hell, It Prevails, Have Heart, Shai Hulud, Life in your Way, stuff like that really brings it back towards the "older days" fast pace, but let melodies thrown in. Madball / Terror?

Though I absolutely love Have Heart, and they really are the epitome of any ever living "hardcore" alive..

I mean some may disagree, but to each his own?

Dude, you totally misread that post. And secondly almost all of those bands you just mentioned are the ones killing the hell out of whats left of the hardcore scene today.

Thirdly, you're being dum if you really think Prada is bad.. They produced 2 legitimately talented albums before turning to crap. And yes I know they're not hardcore. They're metalcore. But still, you don't have room to talk down on them if you promote those pseudo-hardcore bands. Just saying

zuluh 10-05-2010 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Togglez (Post 939696)
Dude, you totally misread that post. And secondly almost all of those bands you just mentioned are the ones killing the hell out of whats left of the hardcore scene today.

Thirdly, you're being dum if you really think Prada is bad.. They produced 2 legitimately talented albums before turning to crap. And yes I know they're not hardcore. They're metalcore. But still, you don't have room to talk down on them if you promote those pseudo-hardcore bands. Just saying

Oh you.. Pseudo hardcore bands making yet breaking this scene at the same time. No there's no equivalent of the Blackflag / Agnostic Front aspects of hardcore, where this band replicates nothing of the "hardcore" genre, maybe the new age hardcore with inclinations of breakdowns, and everything so they get thrown in to a genre that's completely irrelevant, they put their genre of something they're definitely not.. And I'm not saying all the bands I listed are any way shape in form relatively "OLDSCHOOL" Hardcore, but they show more merit with the slower guitar work, and the more simpler chords over well.. Trying to splashy, and new with their high pitched cleans moving into some generic sounding piano catastrophe.

Some of it sounds good, but using prada as an example as "hardcore"( and deeming it a band that's not killing the hardcore scene) is well misplaced, so I'll direct this as a misinterpretation of it being deemed "hardcore".

It doesn't fit, it doesn't belong it's not, it will never be it..

We can agree on that..

Togglez 10-05-2010 11:05 PM

zuluh, You're not reading these posts very carefully..

This whole time, we've been saying Prada is not hardcore. So we've been kind of agreeing about this all along.

And "new-wave" hardcore bands like Have Heart, are really behind on what most decent hardcore bands are doing today. Have Heart and the like are the closest thing you can get to being a metalcore band while still being able to say that they have more structured hardcore roots. Which isn't saying much.

They've got the metalcore melodies, the screams, and many now are starting to incorporate breakdowns. All they're missing is the whiny clean vox, and maybe some synth for good measure. Add those things and we'd have ourselves a pretty decent metalcore band.

Try something like The Effort.

zuluh 10-05-2010 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Togglez (Post 939704)
zuluh, You're not reading these posts very carefully..

This whole time, we've been saying Prada is not hardcore. So we've been kind of agreeing about this all along.

And "new-wave" hardcore bands like Have Heart, are really behind on what most decent hardcore bands are doing today. Have Heart and the like are the closest thing you can get to being a metalcore band while still being able to say that they have more structured hardcore roots. Which isn't saying much.

They've got the metalcore melodies, the screams, and many now are starting to incorporate breakdowns. All they're missing is the whiny clean vox, and maybe some synth for good measure. Add those things and we'd have ourselves a pretty decent metalcore band.

Try something like The Effort.

Have Heart is nothing of the metal-core branch..

Kasai 10-22-2010 06:15 PM

Verse. Bane. Champion. :D

Also a Norwegian band called Death is Not Glamorous, I kind of know the frontman which makes it better :)

dischord 10-22-2010 11:51 PM

DS-13. Total Fury. Gross Negligence. D.E.A. Conga Fury. Los Crudos. Limp Wrist.... to name a few, somewhat modern real hardcore bands.

Devil Wears Prada? Really? Why is that even in a discussion about hardcore?

Bullium 11-16-2010 04:34 AM

Hatebreed


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