Proto-punk (lyric, dance, pop, rock, genre)

Whirlwind Disaster · 10-26-2006, 06:00 PM

Right guys, I see alot of punk threads without much notice on the bands that laid the foundations. So, what about the monks? what about the sonics? what about pere ubu? what about the stooges? MC5? link wray? The modern lovers? You have to acknowledge the bands that started up the genre you love.

cardboard adolescent · 10-26-2006, 06:18 PM

I have a thread on the Monks. It's labelled this forum doesn't get much activity or something like that. The Sonics are the ****. Rocket From the Tombs are more proto-punk than Pere Ubu since I'd consider most of Pere Ubu's recorded output to be post-punk. The Sonics are great, the Stooges are amazing, MC5 are pretty good, the Modern Lovers are good, I don't know Link Wray.

Velvet Underground are considered by many to be proto-punk, Richard Hell and Television also are sometimes, Big Star, John Cale, New York Dolls, and if you want to be very loose about it Captain Beefheart. Lots of great stuff.

Whirlwind Disaster · 10-26-2006, 06:22 PM

yes mate! good call, i love richard hell and all his work with the voidoids, the heartbreakers and television. i didnt list him because i consider him to be part of the first wave of punk. pere ubu had so much agression in their work i consider them the early incarnation of what punk came to symbolise. And the VU, well, lyrically they didnt touch so much on the early punk concepts, but you cant doubt the raw, edginess of their work. i defietly believe they influenced punk bands as much as they influenced anybody else. But we're taling about a majorly influential band here. Beefheart no, hes much more in the realms of hard psychedelia.

Whirlwind Disaster · 10-26-2006, 06:23 PM

incidently, ive mentioned rocket from the tombs in a thread on noise rock, so i agree with you to an extent on that too.

cardboard adolescent · 10-26-2006, 06:26 PM

I dunno, VU songs like "I Heard Her Call My Name" sound borderline punk to me. I would agree with Terminal Tower/The Modern Dance era Pere Ubu (for the most part) to be kinda proto-punk but as soon as you get into Dub Housing I think they're too far detached from punk to really retain that genre.

Whirlwind Disaster · 10-26-2006, 06:32 PM

true, post 1982 ubu were more into undergound electro pop but you cant deny their early stuff was hugely influential on what was to become punk. I think whatever VU did was influential - they were one of those bands. i think bands from the freak scene like pink fairies and steeleye span were an influence.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 10-26-2006, 06:54 PM

All great bands.

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~~hiu~~ · 10-26-2006, 09:33 PM

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MURDER JUNKIE · 10-26-2006, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

I don't know Link Wray.

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White Lies · 10-28-2006, 06:54 PM

I didn't know pere Ubu were proto punk.

Anyway The Stooges are easily my favorite. MC5 seemed average to me, I like the Velvet Underground, like the New York Dolls, and love Television and Richard Hell.

What about bands like Suicide? I'd say they were quite a big influence on punk.

10-26-2006, 06:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
Whirlwind Disaster Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: LahnDahn Posts: 56	Proto-punk Right guys, I see alot of punk threads without much notice on the bands that laid the foundations. So, what about the monks? what about the sonics? what about pere ubu? what about the stooges? MC5? link wray? The modern lovers? You have to acknowledge the bands that started up the genre you love. __________________ I just go buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

10-26-2006, 06:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
Whirlwind Disaster Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: LahnDahn Posts: 56	yes mate! good call, i love richard hell and all his work with the voidoids, the heartbreakers and television. i didnt list him because i consider him to be part of the first wave of punk. pere ubu had so much agression in their work i consider them the early incarnation of what punk came to symbolise. And the VU, well, lyrically they didnt touch so much on the early punk concepts, but you cant doubt the raw, edginess of their work. i defietly believe they influenced punk bands as much as they influenced anybody else. But we're taling about a majorly influential band here. Beefheart no, hes much more in the realms of hard psychedelia. __________________ I just go buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

10-26-2006, 06:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
Whirlwind Disaster Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: LahnDahn Posts: 56	incidently, ive mentioned rocket from the tombs in a thread on noise rock, so i agree with you to an extent on that too. __________________ I just go buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

10-26-2006, 06:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
Whirlwind Disaster Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: LahnDahn Posts: 56	true, post 1982 ubu were more into undergound electro pop but you cant deny their early stuff was hugely influential on what was to become punk. I think whatever VU did was influential - they were one of those bands. i think bands from the freak scene like pink fairies and steeleye span were an influence. __________________ I just go buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

10-26-2006, 06:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	All great bands. Been looking for some Destroy All Monsters for ages , but seem to come up blank everytime __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

10-26-2006, 06:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	I have a thread on the Monks. It's labelled this forum doesn't get much activity or something like that. The Sonics are the ****. Rocket From the Tombs are more proto-punk than Pere Ubu since I'd consider most of Pere Ubu's recorded output to be post-punk. The Sonics are great, the Stooges are amazing, MC5 are pretty good, the Modern Lovers are good, I don't know Link Wray. Velvet Underground are considered by many to be proto-punk, Richard Hell and Television also are sometimes, Big Star, John Cale, New York Dolls, and if you want to be very loose about it Captain Beefheart. Lots of great stuff.

10-26-2006, 06:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	I dunno, VU songs like "I Heard Her Call My Name" sound borderline punk to me. I would agree with Terminal Tower/The Modern Dance era Pere Ubu (for the most part) to be kinda proto-punk but as soon as you get into Dub Housing I think they're too far detached from punk to really retain that genre.

10-26-2006, 09:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
~~hiu~~ Account Disabled Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,174	Albert Ayler Electric Eels Radio Birdman

10-28-2006, 06:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
White Lies destroy oh boy! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 492	I didn't know pere Ubu were proto punk. Anyway The Stooges are easily my favorite. MC5 seemed average to me, I like the Velvet Underground, like the New York Dolls, and love Television and Richard Hell. What about bands like Suicide? I'd say they were quite a big influence on punk.

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