Yahoo: Is Punk Dead?
 

Looks like someone else agrees that alot of the ****ty bands mentioned below have "killed" punk:



Hot Topic Punks in a Fake Punk World
Posted Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:52pm PDT by Shawn Amos in GetBack
Punk is dead. Actually, it died a long time ago once the Sex Pistols imploded and The Clash's Joe Strummer had the temerity to kick Mick Jones out of the band and then release the career-killing record "Cut the Crap."
No, scratch that. Punk died when the first Hot Topic store opened in 1988.
What started as a way to capitalize on the early MTV craze has become pre-fabricated shorthand for something that is supposed to resemble punk in some sanitized, VMA world. Now you can now have that punk rock feeling without ever leaving the safety of the shopping mall. It's the Hot Topic-ing of America.
Punk was born on the street but is now bred in major label board rooms with clothing manufacturer tie-ins. Here's a reminder of pre-Hot Topic punk when the safety pins came from a dirty rehearsal room instead of an online catalogue.

GALLERY: The Sex Pistols: Original Hot Topic Band?

There's something wrong about a publicly traded company (over $741M in revenue in 2006) selling "Blood Is the New Pink" wristbands. Or maybe it's right. Maybe it's just as punk as Johnny Rotten schilling butter on a British commercial. Maybe Hot Topic just figured out what other '70s punks were too dumb to realize: it's better to be the man than fight him.
And now…the Hot Topic Top 5
GREEN DAY
They began as the shining stars of 924 Gilman Street (a Berkeley, CA punk club dedicated to independent punk music) and wound up as poster boys for major label sellouts. Certainly, any band who's sold over 20 million albums and won three Grammys is having the last laugh. Still, they're not doing the punk legacy any favors.

AVRIL LAVIGNE
The Canadian "pop punk" singer claims the following as her punk bona fide: working to establish equal rights for skateboarders and marrying fellow Hot Topic punker Deryck Whibley (Sum 41). Two words that should ever go together are "pop" and "punk." Her and Whibley split in September, which can only help their cred. Divorce is very punk.

BLINK-182
Tattoos do not the punk make.

GOOD CHARLOTTE
If it weren't for the Madden twins' dating Nicole Richie and Paris Hilton, I'd be convinced. Any true punk wouldn't be within 10 miles of those two chicks.

SIMPLE PLAN
What is it with French Canadians and pop punk? Another Hot Topic band who committed yet another cardinal punk sin. Band members Pierre Bouvier and Chuck Comeau started brainstorming about forming a band while attending a Sugar Ray show. 'Nuff said.

Punk was dead long before these bands hit the scene.

Punk isn't dead, you're just not looking.

This is a little off topic but Daniel Clowes is great (your ghost world avatar)

Shit article.

Why not look for punk bands in your area rather than lament ones that were never legit anyway?...I have a feeling if this was the 80's, when all that good punk rock was going down, you'd be lamenting that "rock is dead" and you should turn over and die.

Dumbest **** I ever read.

Just because nowadays garbage like All Time Low and other bands are considered punk are popular doesn't mean punks dead. I could name at least 30 bands that came out after 1988 that are worthy of being called Punlk.

I agree with some things said about Hot Topic what with the safety pins and such.
Punks were never big on spending lots of money on there appearance. Nowadays I always see these *******s wearing theese peices of ****:

http://img.hottopic.com/is/image/HotTopic/213287_hi

They're like 60 bucks too, what the hell are they thinking?
I have to admit I have gone into Hot Topic once or twice and gotten a t shirt or two because they are pretty cheap there and have some cool looking exclusive shirts.
Still I perfer ordering online because not as many people have the shirts and I get to choose who gets the money, weather there be a middle man or it goes straight to the band.

Anyone who bitches about a 33 year old genre of music being corporate DESERVES those bands.

And when was the last time anyone gave a flying fuck about Good Charlotte. That 'article' is about the first time i've seen their name in print in about 3 years.

That's probably when it was written, took him that long to find an editor stupid enough to post it. Seriously that article makes the ones on Ultimate-Guitar seem like they're written by Hemmingway. Not only that but his thesis is something that's been so picked apart by people and debated so much that it's just bones now. He brings up absolutely nothing new or provocative.

complaining about the state of 'punk' music then whining about good charlotte and simple plan is the equivalent to crapping your pants on the bus to annoy the rest of the people with the smell.

Mr Dave wins the thread :thumb:

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l9...umb2175714.jpg

It's not too late to bring punk back though. Start a band if you don't like the current situation punk is in. Yeah Green Day and Avril are lame and they're definantly corporate punk (actually Green Day used to be a punk band before American Idiot) but it's not like punk music is all that hard to play or write. So start a band. Anyone can do it!

Punk's dead and buried. It's just another genre at this point. Once the image/sound/attitude was bundled together and became what punk was about, the movement was null and void.

I think it could be brought back though.

Some would say that punk died when G.G. Allin keeled over.

if you honestly think it can be brought back then you've completely missed the point of punk.

Sure, if you have a Delorean and some plutonium.

I find it funny that Green Day are considered a corporate band since American Idiot, when the whole point of the record was bashing the corporations and government. That is very punk, I think most people are just jealous because they are the most successful punk band ever.

Ha ha. A band calling others to fight the machine, of which they are a part of. This is why bands like Green Day and Anti-Flag will NEVER be punk. Not matter how many mo-hawks, safety pins, or revolution calls they have they're still a part of what killed punk.

Christ, after Kerplunk people were calling them sellouts.

I read this bullsh-t on Yahoo and scoffed at it. The so called "music blogger" completely ignored 80's and 90's hardcore and acted like Punk died in UK 77. Total bullsh-t. Punk music is still alive and thriving but as it should be: out of the prying eyes of corporate whores.

Just because you take early punk fashion and commercialize it doesn't change the fact that there are 2349234u24945 plus punk, mostly hardcore admittedly, bands playing in garages and small sh-t venues accross the U.S and I would assume the U.K.

I don't know what's worse, the article or the motherf-ckin' comments in this thread. Sorry if I seem a bit edgy, I'm irritated and listening to gangsta rap.

Ugh... One of my friends brought this topic up. I was surprised because he has little interest in music, yet he had such a stubborn opinion that punk is dead. His argument, that according to some big board of music reviewers, there are currently no bands with even moderate success playing "traditional punk." He said that even though there are bands that still play punk music, it doesn't resemble the style back then. He said it doesn't have the same rhythm... Wtf?

See, this is why I come here. There is the above friend, my other friend that religiously listens to Rammstein and a variety of other German "thump" bands, which is a nickname I made up because every band he listens to has a very prominent, 4/4 feel to them where each quarter note either has a heavy bass drum or snare hit, and anything that doesn't have that "has no rhythm." The only one that is cool about music is the one that tolerates pretty much any form of music.

Ha ha ha. That's the worst argument point I've ever read. Tell your friend he shouldn't discuss topics he doesn't understand.

That's all pretty ironic then considering the album was released by a Warner subsidiary, the videos were played on MTV and a massive amount of collateral material was sold to millions of consumers.

http://static.zoovy.com/img/rockmusi...ff/1/10255.jpg

Also, for the record they were considered a corporate band long, long before American Idiot.

Article's a bit redundant isn't it, leave this childish bickering about integrity and purity to the metal scenes. The so-called spirit of punk interests me, that Don Letts documentary came to the conclusion that punk is a byword for originality and usurping the status quo, and that this is alive and well, albeit not in what we recognize as punk musically... i don't know why people insist on hanging on to these buzz words, it's like they are scared of the unknown. I still think Public Image Ltd's first two albums are greatest 'punk' statements, infact that whole first wave of classic post-punk LPs. The whole label just smacks of the leeching scenester, just as the hippies and psychedelic sheep that Frank Zappa mocked, this is why any musician with sense hates being pigeonholed by the music press

It's simply because they are a great band with pop sensibilities. The videos got heavy airplay because people wanted to see them!

This is there career, and of course they have to make money to support their families. Why stay stuck in the same mold forever? Look at them not as artists, but as people.

And just to please fickle fans who love to cry sellout, they continue to put out indie projects like Foxboro Hot Tubs, that STILL do very well!

Green Day has always loved there fans, and as there revune increases, they get more exposure, and can create more media/material to these loyal fans like myself.

2,000 Conan Points.

Fixed.

Molecules: No matter how many times a band or artist cries foul, they will always be typecasted in some form or fashion. It's unavoidable. People who do articles, documentaries, etc. on them need SOME way to describe the sound in a way that doesn't take up too much space/time, hence the prevalent genre labeling and "sounds like X bands meets Y band" schticking in mainstream media.

they also chose to write incredibly formulaic pap in order to cement their place within the mainstream about 10 years ago. 'time of your life' anyone? could you do anything besides hope your ears exploded when you simply couldn't run away from that song around '98?.


...there's nothing unpredictable
about strumming G, C, and D
thanks, you totally paid for my liiiiiiiife....


green day has always, and will always be, little sister punk rock.

you need categorization up to a point, sure, i'm just saying the old punk philosophy (like one was ever hammered out, just another bandwagon) is inappropriate to keep exhuming to win arguments, especially since all the 'authentic' punk groups around today have evolved beyond it sonically e.g. post-metalcore or whatever the hell it is this week. it's all terribly boring really. there's a word i was looking for to describe 'punk' as an ethos, i think it is 'anachronous', not sure though, as if i could look any stupider =P

I think The Marked Men refutes both of his points..

I can't disagree with anyone else's opinion, but I will stick to my guns. Green Day again, loves to piss of fickle fans.Time of your Life isn't my favorite song ever, but it's still pretty damn good! Don't be upset just because they get the radio play dude.

The music has always sounded great, they are awesome and fun personalities and there worst songs still **** on 90% of any of the other punk bands that came out around the same time. If ya don't like 'em I don't see any reason to waste time bad mouthing them ( except for megadeth of course lol ).

One of my top ten favorite bands of all time! And out of those 10 bands, only 2 are still putting out records. So probably my 2nd favorite current band!

The guys in Green Day have been very, very rich people since they were in their early 20s. Aside from cashing royalty checks they haven't had to do anything to support their families for the past decade and a half. For whatever reason though they choose to continue cranking out the same formulaic corporate rock year after year. That doesn't make them bad people, but it's not music that particularly appeals to me and I find it pretty silly that such a very corporate band would continue on with some kind of fascade of being anti-establishment.

You're right, there were a lot of absolute crap punk bands that came out of the 90s. Saying Green Day was the best of the bunch is a little like telling someone they're the smartest idiot you've ever met though.

It was by Rancid but was anyone around to care?

GOD I HATE ALL TIME LOW. They are from where I am from and I know so many ditsy stupid chicks that are all about them. So stupid.

Lot of good points you make, I just don't have a prob with there music, I've been a die hard ever since Kerplunk ( I was like 7 when it came out and I believe it was the first cassette i ever bought! )

The only thing I really have to disagree with is the need for more money, they all have kids and stuff, and I never feel like you could make too much money. Plus, none of us really know how much money they actually make anyways.

whether or not you like the band has little to do with whether or not the band is anything more than a corporate cash cow.

green day is to the dead kennedys what nickelback is to led zeppelin. do you get it yet?

I guess that makes you about 25. As an adult I'm sure you're well aware that all the members of Green Day could support their families quite comfortably for the rest of their lives on just the royalties from Dookie alone. I really don't buy the "they needed the money" angle for anything they've done in the past decade and a half.

Yeah 25, I don't consider them corporate, still love em and always will. Again NONE of you know how much money they have made. If you don't have a figure, your argument is baseless.

Plus, it's really sad to waste posts trashing a band you resent because of there suceess :)

Look at the total album sales for Dookie. Multiply each sale by ten. Now take 50 to 70 percent of that and divide by three and you've got a rough estimate of what they individually make not counting ring tones (and I work in that business so I know a single song from a popular group like them could be making them 20k and up a quarter) iTunes and other royalties.

Point is, they've got some money. I don't hate them and I certainly don't resent their success.