The Pixies vs Nirvana

Kill · 11-30-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BTown787

To debate in regards to Nirvana and Mudhoney? I can think of a few.

What Nirvana would be like without Mudhoney
What would have happened if Nirvana did pick Dan Peters over Dave Grohl
What band ultimately played a bigger role in the sense of being influential to Nirvana; Green River or Mudhoney
What Nirvana have even gotten signed without the initial success of Mudhoney at Sub Pop?

I meant for Nirvana and the Pixies. Sorry I didn't specify.

But for your last bullet, I think more time would have been needed for them to be signed to Sub Pop if Mudhoney didn't make much success.

Sneer · 11-30-2009, 03:04 PM

I think Pixies were more influential in their sound. However, you cannot deny Nirvana's influence either, they were a huge catalyst in the rise of alternative to the mainstream.

I think Pixies cavorted more with boundaries, which i'm a sucker for, so i'd have to relucantly say them.

music_phantom13 · 11-30-2009, 03:25 PM

I mean, I say Pixies even though I like both of their music because I love the noise aspects of their music and the anxiety and unease that runs blatantly through their songs. I actually think I would say in a sense, The Pixies songs were much "poppier" - they were generally more upbeat on the surface... just listen to Debaser, that's more of a pop song than most of what I can think of from Nirvana (though I guess it depends what you think of as pop music, because the term encompasses such a huge array of sounds). The best part? I'll get to hear them play it tonight

Sneer · 11-30-2009, 03:36 PM

I actually think the majority of Nirvana's output is really good pop music, pop music that is simply played out with a lot of distortion and angst. Generally they adhered to a simple Verse-chorus structure, utilised hooks effectively and created memorable yet basic melodies. It was presented in the 'alternative' format, sure, but at the base of it all was a very sophisticated pop sensibility. Pixies for me just had a bit more divergence away from convention, which for me makes the music that bit more interesting.

And all i have to end with is YOU LUCKY BAST*RD.

~~Odyshape~~ · 12-01-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by music_phantom13

I mean, I say Pixies even though I like both of their music because I love the noise aspects of their music and the anxiety and unease that runs blatantly through their songs. I actually think I would say in a sense, The Pixies songs were much "poppier" - they were generally more upbeat on the surface... just listen to Debaser, that's more of a pop song than most of what I can think of from Nirvana (though I guess it depends what you think of as pop music, because the term encompasses such a huge array of sounds). The best part? I'll get to hear them play it tonight

man you lucky

proto-punk · 12-01-2009, 09:36 PM

well pixies dont have that "hard edge" to them but they have better and "understandable songs" than nirvana

SATCHMO · 12-01-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by proto-punk

well pixies dont have that "hard edge" to them but they have better and "understandable songs" than nirvana

Are you really talking about The Pixies here? Have you heard Black Francis Scream or sing en Espanol? That alone nullifies both of those statements.

proto-punk · 12-01-2009, 09:50 PM

yeah i know they play hard but do they play hard every song? nirvana plays 99.8% of all their songs raw. i didnt mean that pixies never play rough songs but they dont play like that all the time such as "here comes your man"

SATCHMO · 12-01-2009, 09:54 PM

Nirvana had some really poppy songs thrown into the mix too. I think Kim Deal's voice kinda' sweetened up a lot of The Pixies songs.

proto-punk · 12-01-2009, 09:56 PM

lol ok then, i feel the same way, thats why i put nirvana songs were 99.8% raw because they have some pretty mellow songs as well. looks like we struck an agreement?

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Pixies are way better	67	23.93%
I prefer The pixies	62	22.14%
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11-30-2009, 03:04 PM	#52 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,430	I think Pixies were more influential in their sound. However, you cannot deny Nirvana's influence either, they were a huge catalyst in the rise of alternative to the mainstream. I think Pixies cavorted more with boundaries, which i'm a sucker for, so i'd have to relucantly say them. __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

11-30-2009, 03:36 PM	#54 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,430	I actually think the majority of Nirvana's output is really good pop music, pop music that is simply played out with a lot of distortion and angst. Generally they adhered to a simple Verse-chorus structure, utilised hooks effectively and created memorable yet basic melodies. It was presented in the 'alternative' format, sure, but at the base of it all was a very sophisticated pop sensibility. Pixies for me just had a bit more divergence away from convention, which for me makes the music that bit more interesting. And all i have to end with is YOU LUCKY BASTRD. __________________ LastFM* Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

11-30-2009, 03:25 PM	#53 (permalink)
music_phantom13 Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 942	I mean, I say Pixies even though I like both of their music because I love the noise aspects of their music and the anxiety and unease that runs blatantly through their songs. I actually think I would say in a sense, The Pixies songs were much "poppier" - they were generally more upbeat on the surface... just listen to Debaser, that's more of a pop song than most of what I can think of from Nirvana (though I guess it depends what you think of as pop music, because the term encompasses such a huge array of sounds). The best part? I'll get to hear them play it tonight

12-01-2009, 09:36 PM	#56 (permalink)
proto-punk Psychedelic Breakdown Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: New York Posts: 97	well pixies dont have that "hard edge" to them but they have better and "understandable songs" than nirvana

12-01-2009, 09:50 PM	#58 (permalink)
proto-punk Psychedelic Breakdown Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: New York Posts: 97	yeah i know they play hard but do they play hard every song? nirvana plays 99.8% of all their songs raw. i didnt mean that pixies never play rough songs but they dont play like that all the time such as "here comes your man"

12-01-2009, 09:54 PM	#59 (permalink)
SATCHMO Al Dente Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,708	Nirvana had some really poppy songs thrown into the mix too. I think Kim Deal's voice kinda' sweetened up a lot of The Pixies songs.

12-01-2009, 09:56 PM	#60 (permalink)
proto-punk Psychedelic Breakdown Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: New York Posts: 97	lol ok then, i feel the same way, thats why i put nirvana songs were 99.8% raw because they have some pretty mellow songs as well. looks like we struck an agreement?