Discharge is great, but I've lately been getting into Catharsis- Passion and His Hero Is Gone - Monuments to Thieves. Now this is crust.:D:D

Stiff little fingers Inflammable Material they used to play in a bar in my local town called the Trident(I. Worked there as a student)before they got a record deal brilliant live

GBH's 'City Baby Attacked By Rats' totally defines the Punk genre for me. Fast, hard and full of attitude, If there's anyone out there who hasn't heard it get downloading!

The best punk album in my opinion is Die hards by the causualties.

10 essential UK punk albums from the early days....

1. We Are.... The League - Anti Nowhere League
1. Inflammable Material - Stiff Little Fingers
1. The Scream - Siouxsie & The Banshees
1. Damned Damned Damned - The Damned
1. No More Heroes - The Stranglers
1. Feeding Of The 5000 - Crass
1. The Clash - The Clash
1. Sham 69 - Thats Life
1. UK Subs - Another Kind Of Blues
1. The Nash The Slash album that I can't remember the title of, but has a very odd version of Smoke On The Water on it...

And as an extra, not really punk in the way most think about it these days (though I suspect Jackhammer will back me up on this one....)

2. Alberto y Los Trios Paranoias - Skeet. If only for their doo wop version of Anarchy In The UK and the brilliant God Is Mad.

Yet another person who puts the complication on their top 10 list. How can this possibly be better than any of Dead Kennedys' LPs?

Cheers, glad you appreciated it. It took a while to cut it down to ten (See the 'Berts addition, couldn't miss that one :D) but they're albums I could listen to endlessly still.
I'll try and put a top ten Oi/Street Punk list together next, thats where I fell out of love with punk but there are still albums from that era in my pile that get a regular airing.
Back to the day? Not quite... 77 punk - 79 mod revivalist - 80 skin - 82 scooterboy. Punk took me to 2-Tone too, ska in all its forms remains my biggest musical passion, but punk never goes away once you get the taste, does it?

That would be Children Of The Night, thought I'm not sure if you can consider that album punk.
And isn't he canadian?

Could agree more...I would cut off an arm to see them.

That's the album, and thought he was UK. My mistake then.
A matter of how you define punk. It certainly has the DIY ethos down to a tee, has the 'throwing convention out of the window' bit off pat and from what I remember, wasn't averse to upsetting people with 'attitude'?

OK then, I offer this as an alternative

1. Cut - The Slits

Raw Power - The Stooges
Funhouse - The Stooges
Blank Generation - Richard Hell & The Voidoids
London Calling - The Clash
The Clash - The Clash
Psychedelic Jungle - The Cramps
Songs The Lord Taught Us - The Cramps
Never Mind The Bollocks - Sex Pistols
The Fire Of Love - The Gun Club
Metal Box - Public Image Ltd
Marquee Moon - Television

These aren't my favourite albums but the list could do with some livening up/fresh material, I'd recomment looking up:
Orchestra of Wolves - Gallows
The Sufferer & the Witness - Rise Against
Life Won't Wait - Rancid
The Bronx (3rd self-titled album, or any of them for that matter) - The Bronx
'As the Eternal Cowboy' and 'Searching for a former Clarity - Against Me!
The Shape of Punk to Come - Refused
The Meanest of Times - Dropkick Murphys
Black Tape - The Explosion

off the top of my head "essential" albums

Amebix - Arise
Black Flag - My War
7 Seconds - The Crew
Bad Religion - No Control
Crass - Feeding Of The 5000
Rudimentary Peni - The EPs of RP
Dwarves - The Dwarves Are Young And Good Looking
Decendents - Milo Goes To College
Minor Threat - Discography
Screeching Weasel - BoogadaBoogadaBoogada

Nice list, I'll need to check out Amebix. I've seen their name thrown around for years, no idea why I haven't listened to them. Good choice of Black Flag album too! It has its critics but My War is probably my favourite of theirs.

you really should check out Amebix....they are just so much more than your typical crust or d-beat band.....great thundering music and great lyrics....seeing them on their reunion tour was a dream come true and a blast

i love all of black flags albums....i just kind of feel like My War was when Henry and Greg sat down and said "you do what you do and i'll do what i do" and it work perfectly

I feel Blink 182 should have a place in the top 10, one of my favorite bands in high school.

Ramones Ramones
Leave Home
Rocket to Russia
Road to Ruin

Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols

London Calling
Sandinista

Penis Envy

Minor Threat/ In My Eyes (double EP record)

Damaged

Give Me Convenience or Give Me Death (I know it's a compilation but still)

Generic Flipper

I LOVE Marquee Moon, but I'm not sure if it qualifies as punk. Oh well ... here's my list:

1.) Raw Power, The Stooges
2.) The Clash, The Clash
3.) London Calling, The Clash
4.) Entertainment!, Gang of Four
5.) What Makes a Man Start Fires?, The Minutemen
6.) Rocket To Russia, The Ramones
7.) Singles Going Steady, Buzz****s
8.) Setting Sons, The Jam
9.) Damaged, Black Flag
10.) Guitar Romantic, The Exploding Hearts

I really take issue with this.

why? what issue do you have with Screeching Weasels 2nd album being in a list of punk rock records?

Yes, please elaborate.

I admit it's a good record with some catchy tunes. But, how could you have that and not any Ramones on your list? At best, they are a quality Ramones copy cat. Plus, I hold a grudge against Ben Weasel for being all into and believing and practicing, it just sickens me to say the word, Catholicism :finger:. I used to read his collumn in MRR and now this? Was he into this religious garbage back when he was making this music - and like hasn't the band toured recently-

Makes me wanna puke, seriously. All over his Bible.

Out of personal opinion:

1. Acid Eaters by the Ramones

2. Everything Sucks by the Descendents

3. Adolescents (Self-Titled) by The Adolescents

4. 13 Songs by Fugazi

5. Nevermind the Bollocks by The Sex Pistols

6.Television City Dream by Screeching Weasel (I love it!)

7. Hear Nothing, See Nothing, Say Nothing by Discharge

8. Not Richard, But **** by The Dead Milkmen

9. The Shape of Punk to Come by Refused

10. Punk in Drublic by NOFX

I disagree, I'd place Screeching Weasel miles above The Ramones. Screeching Weasel are just a bit of fun, with a great talent for writing hooks. As for The Ramones, they're alright but way overstayed their welcome, redoing the same songs for what? 30 years? I also get annoyed when people laud The Ramones as these great visionaries that saved music. They don't deserve half the love they get.

Give Screeching Weasel a 30 year career and see what happens.
I wouldn't say that the Ramones 'saved music' or anything but I do like them a hell of a lot more than I like Screeching Weasel.

I wouldn't want Screeching Weasel to have a 30 year long career. Working for 30 years doesn't often work for many bands, nevermind Pop-Punk bands who don't have a lot to offer in the first place.

I agree. And I wish the Ramones didn't have a 30 year career either. Btw, I don't even really like Screeching Weasel at all so I'll just bow out now.

I like Screeching Weasel but having them in your top 10 punk albums is pretty bad.

Here's mine(I think)(no particular order)(not counting Post-Punk, because it'd be too hard)
The Germs-(GI)
The Clash-London Calling
Dead Kennedys-Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables
Wipers-Youth Of America
Stiff Little Fingers-Inflammable Material
Crass-Feeding Of The 5000
Subhumans-The Day The Country Died
Husker Du-Zen Arcade
Rudimentary Peni-Death Church
Refused-The Shape Of Punk To Come


I guess. I wouldn't have managed this if I hadn't tried to be a genre nazi and dismissed Television and The Pogues as non-Punk.

it is a good album.....and in no way do i hold Screeching Weasel to any measure with Ramones....it's just that i would choose Boogada over any of their records....sorry it just speaks more directly and i listen to it quite a bit more than i do any of the Ramones albums....actually to be honest i can't think of the last time i actually just put on a Ramones album and listened to it...i mean i love to hear them...and sing along and enjoy everything they ever did....i just never really listen to them

to be honest as far as Screeching Weasel goes i personally can't stand anything after Anthems For A New Tomorrow.....by that point i just feel the fun and silliness of the band was shadowed by the continuous Ramones rip offs

i honestly don't understand why a persons religion would affect whether or not you like their music....quite a few of the bands i love are devote Catholics.....some sing about it some don't....i never really noticed anything about religion in Screeching Weasels lyrics...but again i really have not listened to anything past the mid 90s....

Why should a band's religion matter, anyways? The only time it should matter is when they are shoving it down your throat on every album they've ever made. Screeching Weasel doesn't do that.

Personally, I think someone who holds a grudge against someone for having a religious persuasion, and for only that, is childish.

Ben's Catholicism doesn't interfere with the music his band makes. So I don't see how it is at all relevant.

First off, let me just come and say I am total bigot against religious people. They repulse me. Still, I am often forgiving of religious music. I love a lot of old time country gospel music for example. But for Pete's sake, Ben Weasel was an MRR collumnist. Now he's taking his kids to church. Just the fact that he's a breeder, has a traditional family, and takes them to church makes me want to puke. And the reason why I don't respect it is because it's totally stupid. Worshiping God is stupid. Christianity is moronic and it's totally at odds with what I consider to be punk ethics. I grew up on punk and read MRR for years- Oh the guy's just a wanker that's all. He's probably driving his minivan around right now saying some stupid prayer in his mind.

I believe that to be a punk, one simply needs to be him/herself. Ben is being himself and he's completely within his rights. Granted, his former lifestyle might, at some point, come into conflict with his newfound beliefs. What he chooses then will reflect out on how "religious" he really is.

As for your loathing of the religious, I will leave that to you; it's your opinion. I do think that you should keep an open mind about things and not just write something off simply because you think you may disagree with it.

But again: Do what you want.

I don't just think I may disagree with it. It sickens me to my core. It's so obviously baloney but people just go on and on with it. Conforming to stupidity like that is absolutely unpunk, if anything ever was.

Religious people aren't sheep; well not all of them, anyway. I can see where people don't like religion, Christianity, especially. But I know lots of Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc.. and they are pretty okay people.

Is being a bigot really a punk thing?

Actually it could be argued Buddhism follows a lot of the same message as punk .

Lol at the last question! I think the most unpunk thing you can do is be punk. I like a lot of people who are religious too but I do think less of them because they are religious (and I tell them that and they generally don't give a damn).

Sure, if doing exactly what you're told to do from 4 am to 10 pm for years on end is punk, then yeah. Pretend Western Buddhism maybe but real Buddhism? No way.

Using your logic you'd have to be a monk or a nun to practice 'real' Christianity.

So if someone were to hate homosexuals, just because they are homsexuals, you would be okay with that bigotry?

That's very rude of you. I bet you do like them, but I'm sure the feelings aren't mutual. Maybe they don't give a damn on the outside, but on the inside they hold you in contempt.

Regarding homophobes/ I tell them it's stupid because homosexuals don't have a bad track record. I have a generally favorable opinion of homosexuals and tend to defend them and speak out against homophobia because it's ungrounded. In fact, it stems from religion. I mean, a non-religious homophobe is pretty rare. Poeple who hate homosexuals are usually religious.

On the second point, it's only fair they should hold me in contempt. I hold them in contempt for clinging to a stupid belief system. My friends, who are few and far between -the way I want it- have thick skins. So do I. One of my best friends calls my a morally groundless degenerate. I laugh it off because I know where he's coming from. I tell him his religion is for idiots and we both laugh and take it from there and move on to talking about sports or music.