Talky Malky's demise

lucifer_sam · 04-09-2010, 10:42 AM

I'm not laboring under delusions that music isn't about making money, but the way in which he promoted and commodified the Sex Pistols into a consumer-driven movement is demeaning and embarrassing to musicians everywhere. Especially considering the canonization of shitheads like Sid Vicious, who did absolutely fuck all with his life and is now revered for it.

So yeah, Malky's gone? Can't say I give a shit.

almauro · 04-09-2010, 12:25 PM

^Sid Vicious "canonized"? I didn't think so, the guy was a f_ck up of the first order, and MacLaren's biggest f_ck up with the Pistols. Yea, Alex Cox made a movie about him, "Sid and Nancy", but it only solidified what a basket case Sid was.

lucifer_sam · 04-09-2010, 02:54 PM

Really? Because I see this shit all the time:

Just a taste of how media pontificates idiots like Vicious and co.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 04-09-2010, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by almauro

^Sid Vicious "canonized"? I didn't think so, the guy was a f_ck up of the first order, and MacLaren's biggest f_ck up with the Pistols. Yea, Alex Cox made a movie about him, "Sid and Nancy", but it only solidified what a basket case Sid was.

And how AWESOME Gary Oldman is.

Actually the movie really sucked, but the soundtrack is awesome.

That being said, Sub-Mission is a great song, but the Sex Pistols were otherwise pretty lame, and Bow Wow Wow for that matter too.
The story of the Sex Pistols was pretty interesting to me when I was a kid though, but after the initial "WOW THIS IS AWESOME", the other bands from that scene were obviously much more listenable.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 04-09-2010, 05:40 PM

All this talk of 'the godfather of punk' crap I've heard over the past couple of days is seriously nauseating.

He didn't do anything. His 'legacy' in punk has been far too overstated, mostly by himself. Just because he's dead doesn't mean I have to buy it as truth.

Don't get me wrong he could cause a good publicity stunt and get people talking about it. But that's about as far as what he could do with them. The actual music itself he had nothing to do with. And if he did try and get involved with it Lydon would either tell him to fuck off or do it in a way to piss McLaren off. That's the small detail people seem to forget when they call the Sex Pistols McLaren's boyband.

The music industry needs people like him to make it interesting. That doesn't mean I have to like him.

Engine · 04-09-2010, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

All this talk of 'the godfather of punk' crap I've heard over the past couple of days is seriously nauseating.

That must be a Brit thing because I haven't heard shit. I only heard that he died today.
In the US the death of a Ramone barely gets reported.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 04-09-2010, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Engine

That must be a Brit thing because I haven't heard shit. I only heard that he died today.
In the US the death of a Ramone barely gets reported.

Surely you jest

in our paper they had a full page for Johnny & Dee Dee, same for when Joe Strummer died

Engine · 04-10-2010, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Paloma

Surely you jest

in our paper they had a full page for Johnny & Dee Dee, same for when Joe Strummer died

Like..your local independent newspaper?
Of course these deaths get mentioned in the press a little bit - like any celebrity. But it's certainly not big news. Everybody only really seems to care about which drug combo or disease did 'em in.
Then again, I have no heroes and I don't pay much attention to the news so maybe I'm wrong.

**Janszoon** · 04-10-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Engine

That must be a Brit thing because I haven't heard shit. I only heard that he died today.
In the US the death of a Ramone barely gets reported.

I agree that I never heard much press calling him the godfather of punk or whatever, but his death was still reported on cnn.com.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 04-10-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Engine

Like..your local independent newspaper?
Of course these deaths get mentioned in the press a little bit - like any celebrity. But it's certainly not big news. Everybody only really seems to care about which drug combo or disease did 'em in.
Then again, I have no heroes and I don't pay much attention to the news so maybe I'm wrong.

Nope, our main newspaper. Maybe there are fans on the staff though.

04-09-2010, 10:42 AM	#11 (permalink)
lucifer_sam Unrepentant Ass-Mod Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,921	I'm not laboring under delusions that music isn't about making money, but the way in which he promoted and commodified the Sex Pistols into a consumer-driven movement is demeaning and embarrassing to musicians everywhere. Especially considering the canonization of shitheads like Sid Vicious, who did absolutely fuck all with his life and is now revered for it. So yeah, Malky's gone? Can't say I give a shit. __________________ first.am

04-09-2010, 12:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
almauro Way Out There Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 850	^Sid Vicious "canonized"? I didn't think so, the guy was a f_ck up of the first order, and MacLaren's biggest f_ck up with the Pistols. Yea, Alex Cox made a movie about him, "Sid and Nancy", but it only solidified what a basket case Sid was. __________________ rock n music blog

04-09-2010, 02:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
lucifer_sam Unrepentant Ass-Mod Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,921	Really? Because I see this shit all the time: Just a taste of how media pontificates idiots like Vicious and co. __________________ first.am

04-09-2010, 05:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	All this talk of 'the godfather of punk' crap I've heard over the past couple of days is seriously nauseating. He didn't do anything. His 'legacy' in punk has been far too overstated, mostly by himself. Just because he's dead doesn't mean I have to buy it as truth. Don't get me wrong he could cause a good publicity stunt and get people talking about it. But that's about as far as what he could do with them. The actual music itself he had nothing to do with. And if he did try and get involved with it Lydon would either tell him to fuck off or do it in a way to piss McLaren off. That's the small detail people seem to forget when they call the Sex Pistols McLaren's boyband. The music industry needs people like him to make it interesting. That doesn't mean I have to like him. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.