no they don't, not really

Wuh? They have a bunch of songs that are like six minutes long...

Listen to 'Son the Father' from the OP...

Even "Son The Father" is pretty straight-up punk once you get past the intro. It's basically just three chords, a moderately fast tempo, and screaming about the birth of civilization and God.

I made a thread for them a while ago, guess it got lost somewhere.

it sounds like alternative rock. its not even fast.

Does fast mean that it qualifies then? F'Up are an OK listen but nothing ott..and they sound nothing like Alternative Rock. Unless they sound like the Killers or summat....

well on some level yea, being fast does qualify it. hardcore is generally pretty fast music. i was talking specifically about that one song; honestly i haven't listened to a whole lot of this band's music because it bores me to tears.

The funny thing is that we're all arguing about hardcore, and I never said anything about hardcore in the original post.

punk, hardcore, whatever. i'm using them interchangably. deal with it.

also whether you included it in your original post or not they are commonly referred to as a hardcore punk band so i really don't see why you think its "a funny thing"