Originally Posted by TomClancy11 (Post 1149627)

You'd like Nardwuar more if you saw his interview with Blur. Bunch of British twits.

Originally Posted by Odyshape (Post 1149123)

I guess a large part of my anger towards lydia it is I have a very very deep contempt for people who are not only elitist but who I think also can not back themselves up in a way I think make sense. I find I am also hyper sensitive to disliking people who I think artificially differentiate themselves from others to massive degrees and act as if they can live as an idealism to support their own ridiculous social arguments. I think her negativity is childish and her perception of herself is dishonest and I see inconsistencies all over her. It really seems like she would go so far as to deny the fact that she is a human to support something ridiculous she believes in and a lot of the time it seems as though that is exactly what she is doing.

I am really quite surprised to see that I am the minority on this one. Quite interesting actually.

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 1149721)

Maybe you need to stop projecting your fantasies about how so and so would behave and instead learn about their individual personality. It's like Bob mentioned, that was classic Lydia Lunch. What were you expecting? Cuddling with Nardwuar on the couch, maybe reading a little poetry while softly talking about her hopes and dreams?

Fact is, a lot of musicians / artists / creative people are not nice or fun to be around, hell most of them are a-holes. Especially old school punks.

Originally Posted by Odyshape (Post 1149786)

I am not disappointed or surprised at Lydia I am just appalled at people who have personalities like that and it just really irks me when combined with some one I have a lot of respect for. That is all I really wanted to say by this thread although I may have not worded it the best I could.

Originally Posted by Engine (Post 1149801)

I actually like and respect her because of her appalling personality.
This is a case of different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Originally Posted by Odyshape (Post 1149804)

This is definitely true. A large part of it is I understand the mentality really well and I perceive it to be a very empty and hollow. This is because I have been like that at one point and would like to think I understand it so maybe its a part self loathing thing I have too.

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 1149903)

That's fair, but it's not fair to apply that loathing outward to others. It's great that you've gotten over it, but you can't force those who still adhere to it to change their ways just because you've moved on.

Sometimes it's just easier to separate the individual from their creations. You don't need to like the person to respect their work. Though the cult of personality permeating the entertainment industry doesn't really support that perspective.

Originally Posted by Howard the Duck (Post 1149076)

i had sexual fantasies about Lydia when i was about 16

i'd still do her now