Best Punk album of all time?

BastardofYoung · 06-25-2012, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Not really, closer to hair metal than punk. Listen to Personality Crisis, sounds like Kiss, who basically invented/shaped hair metal. Really not fast or aggressive enough to be punk. It's Chuck Berry with distortion.

I think you have to make the distinction between 'punk' and 'punk rock'.... may not be punk rock, but it reeks of punk. The attitude. I like to think of them are a more violent and self-destructive Stones myself.

This song I think is more suited for their punk side than Personality Crisis:

Sounds like it could be done by Adolescents even. Can hear the influence of the Dolls in them and many others in the punk scene.

Forward To Death · 06-25-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SnapCracklePop

Maybe not snide, but hopefully you're not trying to say THe Pistols and Clash are '90s pop-punk'? Shirley some mistake?

DKs and Black Flag both excellent bands.

I think you're reading it differently than intended. The 90s pop punk comment is regarding The Offspring. I don't see how you could even get that out of it, seeing the Sex Pistols released one album, in the 70s.

Forward To Death · 06-25-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

I think you have to make the distinction between 'punk' and 'punk rock'.... may not be punk rock, but it reeks of punk. The attitude. I like to think of them are a more violent and self-destructive Stones myself.

This song I think is more suited for their punk side than Personality Crisis:

Sounds like it could be done by Adolescents even. Can hear the influence of the Dolls in them and many others in the punk scene.

They're a punk influence because of the attitude, but so are bands like The Stooges and The MC5, and to some extent the garage rockers from the 60s even.

They do not have the full punk sound or image, they have bits and pieces of both, and are a huge influence on the genre, though.

SnapCracklePop · 06-25-2012, 03:35 PM

You can here bits of the NYD in the Sex Pistols.. But they're not punk like the Dictators are not punk.

Howard the Duck · 06-25-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

New York Dolls do = punk. In their own right, they are punk rock. Glam, okay.... hair metal, explain this Mr. Duck.....

songs like "Frankenstein" sound like proto-Poison

but that's just me, I guess

i got into a heated argument with somebody else about this on another forum

BastardofYoung · 06-26-2012, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard the Duck

songs like "Frankenstein" sound like proto-Poison

but that's just me, I guess

i got into a heated argument with somebody else about this on another forum

It would be a heated debate because both sides can agree the influence. Johnny Thunders to me is more like a drag punker than a hair metal kinda guy. I would put him a long side Stiv Bators, and maybe even Darby Crash to an extent.

They may have the glam image to them, can not deny that.... I personally hear nothing in them that relates to Poison in anyway, but people can hear what they like I suppose.

I can see where ya would make that distinction... but at the end of the day, I would say they were more in debt to the Glam Punk sound than the Hair Metal scene.

I would put them in the protopunk/glam punk catagory before anything else.

Unknown Soldier · 06-26-2012, 03:30 AM

You're debating in a grey area about the NYD. First up I'd say they were equally influential on both punk and hair metal. Lets look when they were around the early 1970s. Sure they had the proto-punk attitude of the Stooges but looked like they were influenced by Kiss and Alice Cooper and sounded like a destructive Rolling Stones. At this time there was the start of the burgeoning glam rock movement in the UK which they could've been part off as well. I'd say they were a shared influence between both punk and hair metal, I know that's fence sitting here, but to disect this further requires some deeper thought.

Forward To Death · 06-26-2012, 06:28 AM

You're really just saying what I've been saying the whole time.

Unknown Soldier · 06-26-2012, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

You're really just saying what I've been saying the whole time.

Strength in numbers my friend.

Howard the Duck · 06-26-2012, 09:11 AM

would it be sufficient to say that the NY Dolls are some sort of "missing link" between punk and hair metal?

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