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hate paper doll 05-03-2014 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Josef K (Post 1426016)
Los Angeles by X is my favorite.

Love X, but I have to go with Under The Big Black Sun. Exene's voice gives me major feels.

bfshelton 05-12-2014 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew (Post 1445286)
Why do you think that?
proto punk is technicly not punk music.
Proto Punk bands are Garage Rock/Hard rock bands that were important for Punk history, but they were not punk bands. Like the name implies, they formed the prototype for punk, but they weren't punk bands yet.
So I'm asking if proto punk counts.

so when does it stop being proto and just become punk...

NY Dolls, Dictators...?

pistols?

The Batlord 05-13-2014 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bfshelton (Post 1449584)
so when does it stop being proto and just become punk...

NY Dolls, Dictators...?

pistols?

When they started calling it punk. So, Sex Pistols.

triumph 05-15-2014 04:52 AM

Will I get pied here if I say punk in drublic?

Erm, I meant to say Minor Threat….

:-P

Sansa Stark 05-15-2014 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by hate paper doll (Post 1446378)
Love X, but I have to go with Under The Big Black Sun. Exene's voice gives me major feels.

X2 Under the Big Black Sun is my favourite X album

My fave thing used to be spinning the vinyl and smoking covertly when I was like 13

newbands1 05-15-2014 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by triumph (Post 1450148)
Will I get pied here if I say punk in drublic?

Erm, I meant to say Minor Threat….

:-P

Even though they were pioneers IMO

Fugazi>Rites of Spring>Embrace>Minor Threat> Teen Idles

JINXxSOLLUX 05-15-2014 09:23 AM

HAS TO BE P.O.Vs
best song alive

jackhammer 05-15-2014 07:35 PM

This:
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...iUvK7480MIaaVg
or this:
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...7YZnCYwXHBVErQ
Both opposite extremes of what punk is but both still sound awesome to this day and embrace the ethos.

The Batlord 05-16-2014 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 1450361)

I listened to that album once and never had any desire to ever do so again. Just plain boring, generic boringness. David Thomas and Peter Laughner were right to cut the fat when they started Pere Ubu, cause those guys obviously had nothing to contribute but doing exactly what Rocket from the Tombs had already been doing.

bfshelton 05-19-2014 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1449650)
When they started calling it punk. So, Sex Pistols.

I can't swallow this. Just because they didn't call it punk yet, doesn't mean it wasn't punk. And the term "proto-punk""---pshhhh.

For instance, to say Iggy wasn't punk as f**k between '68 and '74 is crazy. I don't care if the term "punk" had been attached to anything at that point or not. The MC5 weren't punk because the Pistols hadn't come along yet? Ha!

Punk has been around since the Johnny Burnette and His Rock 'N Roll Trio album. They just hadn't pigeonholed it yet with a term.

ok, fire away...

Floydy 05-19-2014 09:39 PM

Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks.
Not the first by any means, but in the UK, certainly the most influential punk album by far.

newbands1 05-19-2014 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Floydy (Post 1451429)
Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks.
Not the first by any means, but in the UK, certainly the most influential punk album by far.

Highly influential no doubt but,

London Calling>Pink Flag>Ramones>Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables>Never Mind the Bollocks

Those are better than Never Mind the Bollocks.

Psy-Fi 05-20-2014 06:51 AM

Never Mind the Bollocks would be my second choice and Pink Flag would be my third, but this is my first choice...

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6d8c0dd6.jpg
The Heartbreakers - L.A.M.F. (1977)

The Batlord 05-20-2014 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bfshelton (Post 1451423)
I can't swallow this. Just because they didn't call it punk yet, doesn't mean it wasn't punk. And the term "proto-punk""---pshhhh.

Yeah it does. Punk was a marketing term that described a specific scene. So if you weren't an English "punk" band then you weren't punk (not counting the subsequent few decades of three-chord wonders of course).

But if you want to go specifically by musical standards the Stooges had songs that might be considered punk, but would you really consider the majority of their discography punk? Maybe Raw Power could partly qualify, but other than that the term "proto-punk" is perfectly accurate. "Down On the Street"? "Gimme Danger"? "I Wanna Be Your Dog"? It would take a serious stretch of the imagination to call any of that punk.

Trying to come up with strict qualifications for who is and who is not "punk" when "punk" is such a nebulous word in the first place is just pointless. Punk started in England when people started calling it punk. Anything else is just being argumentative.

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For instance, to say Iggy wasn't punk as f**k between '68 and '74 is crazy. I don't care if the term "punk" had been attached to anything at that point or not. The MC5 weren't punk because the Pistols hadn't come along yet? Ha!
I could certainly say Iggy was a punk mother****er, with "punk" used as an adjective rather than a noun, because of his attitude, but he wasn't an actual punk seeing as he wasn't a part of a punk scene.

jackhammer 05-20-2014 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1450483)
I listened to that album once and never had any desire to ever do so again. Just plain boring, generic boringness. David Thomas and Peter Laughner were right to cut the fat when they started Pere Ubu, cause those guys obviously had nothing to contribute but doing exactly what Rocket from the Tombs had already been doing.

How much material do you have from Rockets from the Tombs as they never had an official release ?! Generic? Well many bands have sounded similar since the Dead Boys album which probably makes the Dead Boys sound redundant in the grand scheme of things I guess.

We could talk all night about Proto Punk or the many variant sounds thereof but if someone asked me what Punk Rock sounded like then Dead Boys and Infest will do me fine and Infest are definitely an unknown quantity to many people and certainly qualify for the criteria and then some.

Dylstew 05-21-2014 05:44 AM

This album was pretty damn entertaining
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AWHwH-BUJT...omtheheart.jpg

Bela Lugosi's Dad 05-21-2014 06:37 AM

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For out and out 1st wave of (real) PUNK I'd go with The Damned - Damned Damned Damned. Great cartoon Punk with edge and great music. It made The Stooges seem dated and has great artwork. The first Ramones album is a Classic too but the first Damned album will always be my answer to this question.

Janszoon 05-21-2014 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1451685)
Yeah it does. Punk was a marketing term that described a specific scene. So if you weren't an English "punk" band then you weren't punk (not counting the subsequent few decades of three-chord wonders of course).

But if you want to go specifically by musical standards the Stooges had songs that might be considered punk, but would you really consider the majority of their discography punk? Maybe Raw Power could partly qualify, but other than that the term "proto-punk" is perfectly accurate. "Down On the Street"? "Gimme Danger"? "I Wanna Be Your Dog"? It would take a serious stretch of the imagination to call any of that punk.

Trying to come up with strict qualifications for who is and who is not "punk" when "punk" is such a nebulous word in the first place is just pointless. Punk started in England when people started calling it punk. Anything else is just being argumentative.

But that's not when people started calling it punk.

bob. 05-21-2014 08:05 AM

Punk (magazine) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
^1975


so i just went back through the thread....and this is at least the fourth time NOFX comes into play and has the same argument against them

went back and listened to Under the Big Black Sun....and although i agree that it is a great and very underrated album.....Los Angeles is still in my opinion better....just for the opening to Nausea

Mondo Bungle 05-21-2014 08:35 AM

http://cdn.thefader.com/wp-content/u...b7-620x620.jpg

or

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_AMOVOls7rg...400/07396l.jpg

Janszoon 05-21-2014 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bob. (Post 1452007)

Exactly.

The Batlord 05-21-2014 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 1451811)
How much material do you have from Rockets from the Tombs as they never had an official release ?! Generic? Well many bands have sounded similar since the Dead Boys album which probably makes the Dead Boys sound redundant in the grand scheme of things I guess.

We could talk all night about Proto Punk or the many variant sounds thereof but if someone asked me what Punk Rock sounded like then Dead Boys and Infest will do me fine and Infest are definitely an unknown quantity to many people and certainly qualify for the criteria and then some.

I listened to this around the time I heard that Dead Boys album and I didn't really hear any kind of progression. Not that I was really over the moon about RftT either mind you.


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510YR1CSYVL.jpg


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Originally Posted by bob. (Post 1452007)

Well blow me down. :bonkhead:

Ana Kovacheva 05-21-2014 05:01 PM

Best punk album
 
The Damned - Damned Damned Damned, Machine Gun Etiquette

BastardofYoung 05-21-2014 06:30 PM

Personally I think the Dead Boys are far from generic. For their time, they were actually pretty much close to the top. Yeah, RFtT have definite similarities, being as though Cheetah Chrome was in both bands, and his guitar playing is pretty recognizable. Stiv Bators though is a much more charismatic and interesting vocalist than Crocus Behemoth was.

Maybe now a days Young, Loud and Snotty may have some dated aspects, but for 1977 it was far from generic. The opening riff on Sonic Reducer was a call to arms, that sustained note just hits, similar to the way "Sailin' On" does on first Bad Brains album. "Ain't Nothing to Do", "What Love Is" and "High Tension Wire" are classics as well.

I do not know if I would rank it as best punk album of all-time, but it is for sure a contender.

Dylstew 05-22-2014 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ana Kovacheva (Post 1452246)
The Damned - Damned Damned Damned, Machine Gun Etiquette

I really prefer Damned Damned Damned over Machine Gun Etiquette.

Bela Lugosi's Dad 05-22-2014 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew (Post 1452417)
I really prefer Damned Damned Damned over Machine Gun Etiquette.

All of their first three albums are excellent and quite different. Great band.

Ana Kovacheva 05-25-2014 05:09 PM

Albums by The Damned
 
Yes, Damned Damned Damned, Machine Gun, Strawberries - they are great all through.

Bollocks by the Sex Pistols is also a very good album.


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