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Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks.
Not the first by any means, but in the UK, certainly the most influential punk album by far.

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Originally Posted by Floydy (Post 1451429)

Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks.
Not the first by any means, but in the UK, certainly the most influential punk album by far.

Highly influential no doubt but,

London Calling>Pink Flag>Ramones>Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables>Never Mind the Bollocks

Those are better than Never Mind the Bollocks.

Never Mind the Bollocks would be my second choice and Pink Flag would be my third, but this is my first choice...

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The Heartbreakers - L.A.M.F. (1977)

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Originally Posted by bfshelton (Post 1451423)

I can't swallow this. Just because they didn't call it punk yet, doesn't mean it wasn't punk. And the term "proto-punk""---pshhhh.

Yeah it does. Punk was a marketing term that described a specific scene. So if you weren't an English "punk" band then you weren't punk (not counting the subsequent few decades of three-chord wonders of course).

But if you want to go specifically by musical standards the Stooges had songs that might be considered punk, but would you really consider the majority of their discography punk? Maybe Raw Power could partly qualify, but other than that the term "proto-punk" is perfectly accurate. "Down On the Street"? "Gimme Danger"? "I Wanna Be Your Dog"? It would take a serious stretch of the imagination to call any of that punk.

Trying to come up with strict qualifications for who is and who is not "punk" when "punk" is such a nebulous word in the first place is just pointless. Punk started in England when people started calling it punk. Anything else is just being argumentative.

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For instance, to say Iggy wasn't punk as f**k between '68 and '74 is crazy. I don't care if the term "punk" had been attached to anything at that point or not. The MC5 weren't punk because the Pistols hadn't come along yet? Ha!

I could certainly say Iggy was a punk mother****er, with "punk" used as an adjective rather than a noun, because of his attitude, but he wasn't an actual punk seeing as he wasn't a part of a punk scene.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1450483)

I listened to that album once and never had any desire to ever do so again. Just plain boring, generic boringness. David Thomas and Peter Laughner were right to cut the fat when they started Pere Ubu, cause those guys obviously had nothing to contribute but doing exactly what Rocket from the Tombs had already been doing.

How much material do you have from Rockets from the Tombs as they never had an official release ?! Generic? Well many bands have sounded similar since the Dead Boys album which probably makes the Dead Boys sound redundant in the grand scheme of things I guess.

We could talk all night about Proto Punk or the many variant sounds thereof but if someone asked me what Punk Rock sounded like then Dead Boys and Infest will do me fine and Infest are definitely an unknown quantity to many people and certainly qualify for the criteria and then some.

This album was pretty damn entertaining
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For out and out 1st wave of (real) PUNK I'd go with The Damned - Damned Damned Damned. Great cartoon Punk with edge and great music. It made The Stooges seem dated and has great artwork. The first Ramones album is a Classic too but the first Damned album will always be my answer to this question.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1451685)

Yeah it does. Punk was a marketing term that described a specific scene. So if you weren't an English "punk" band then you weren't punk (not counting the subsequent few decades of three-chord wonders of course).

But if you want to go specifically by musical standards the Stooges had songs that might be considered punk, but would you really consider the majority of their discography punk? Maybe Raw Power could partly qualify, but other than that the term "proto-punk" is perfectly accurate. "Down On the Street"? "Gimme Danger"? "I Wanna Be Your Dog"? It would take a serious stretch of the imagination to call any of that punk.

Trying to come up with strict qualifications for who is and who is not "punk" when "punk" is such a nebulous word in the first place is just pointless. Punk started in England when people started calling it punk. Anything else is just being argumentative.

But that's not when people started calling it punk.

Punk (magazine) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
^1975

so i just went back through the thread....and this is at least the fourth time NOFX comes into play and has the same argument against them

went back and listened to Under the Big Black Sun....and although i agree that it is a great and very underrated album.....Los Angeles is still in my opinion better....just for the opening to Nausea