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William_the_Bloody 01-16-2013 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1275483)
Fixed your spelling of "Massachusetts" for you. Sorry, it's my home state. :)

lol no worries, I don't use spell check.

William_the_Bloody 01-17-2013 08:50 PM

91. Bad Religion Genre (Melodic Hardcore/Punk rock) , California USA era 80's 90's/Present &

D.I. Genre (Punk Rock), California USA, era 80's, 90's

So here it is, probably the biggest low ball on my list considering they would be in the top 10 or 20 for many people. I concede that American Jesus is an amazing song, but overall I think that Bad Religion is the most overrated band in the history of punk rock. Simply put, I do not like this band.

Bad Religions rise to prominence took place in the 90's largely in part because of guitarist Brett Gurewitz ownership of Epitaph that spearheaded hardcore into a softer more commercially viable direction with the signing of The Offspring, and virtually every other notable melodic hardcore band of the 90's.

Instead of the Dead Kennedys, Black Flag & the Exploited we therefore got Bad Religion, The Offspring, Pennywise ect, and although I like the latter two bands, it really marked the taming of hardcore in my opinion.

Bad Religion themselves are remarkably soft sounding for a punk rock band, softer than The Clash in my opinion when you take their different era's into account. This wouldn't be a problem if they had a catalogue of great songs behind them, but unlike The Clash they do not. In short if you are going to tread close to U2, Coldplay territory, than you need to step up to the plate. They have not, and so here they sit at 91, back with the next ten in a bit.


American Jesus



Infected



**** You



D.I.

Okay editing the edit. I originally had Face to Face down, but I can't stand them, and I am running out of room, so I thought I'd stick a worthy band on the list that Bob has already mentioned. The D.I.'s sort of passed me by, though I had this song on....dating myself...cassette!

Ballroom Blitz


Insane Guest 01-17-2013 11:16 PM

Taming says it, there is a certain period of time where all the following hardcore that was coming out started out promising, but they all just went downhill and followed the same similar path, and swept up the rest along with it.

bob. 01-18-2013 01:45 PM

a little harsh but i get what you're saying.....at first i was gonna come in all "come on man....Bad Religion" but too be honest i really only like three of their albums (Suffer, No Control, Against The Grain) and a handful of other tracks....although i do almost always check out their new releases....i see you're point but think you're over simplifying them a bit and i think that the fact that all of your examples are from their later "more toned down albums" tells me you just never really liked them....which i understand.....they are a love or hate band for sure.....

for me it is always about lyrics and lyrical content with this band....although i can't lie i do enjoy the melodic edge in their music.....but i honestly think there are few bands in the punk/hardcore umbrella that can compare to the intelligence in their lyrics....3 examples


Spoiler for No Control:

Culture was the seed of proliferation but it's gotten melded
Into an inharmonic whole, to an inharmonic whole.
Consciousness has plagued us and we cannot shake it
Though we think we're in control, though we think we're in control.
Questions that besiege us in life are testament of our helplessness.

"There's no vestige of a beginning, no prospect of an end." [(Hutton, 1795]

When we all disintegrate it will all happen again, yeah.
Time is so rock solid in the minds of the hordes but they can't
Explain why it should slip away, explain why it should slip away.
History and future are the comforts of our curiosity but here we are
Rooted in the present day, rooted in the present day
Questions that besiege us in life are testament of our helplessness.

"There's no vestige of a beginning, no prospect of an end." [(Hutton, 1795]

When we all disintegrate it will all happen again, yeah.
If you came to conquer, you'll be king for a day,
But you too will deteriorate and quickly fade away.
And believe these words you hear when you think your path is clear...
We have no control. We have no control.
We have no control, we do not understand.
You have no control, you are not in command.
You have no control. We have no control.
No control. No control. You have no control.



Spoiler for Do What you Want:
Hey do what you want, but don't do it around me.
Idleness and dissipation breed apathy.
I sit on my ass all goddamn day,
A misanthropic anthropoid with nothing to
Say what you must, do all you can,
Break all the ****ing rules and
Go to Hell with Superman and
Die like a champion, yeah hey!
Hey I don't know if the billions will survive,
But I'll believe in God when 1 and 1 are 5.
My moniker is man and I'm rotten to the core.
I'll tear down the building just to pass through the door.
So do what you must, do all you can,
Break all the ****ing rules and
Go to Hell with Superman and
Die like a champion, yeah hey!



Spoiler for Entropy:

random blobs of power expressed as that which we all disregard,
ordered states of nature on a scale that no one thinks about, don't
speak to me of anarchy or peace of calm revolt, man, we're in a play
of slow decay orchestrated by boltzmann, it's entropy, it's not a
human issue, entropy, it's matter of course, entropy, energey at all
levels, entropy, from it you can not divorce and your pathetic moans
of suffrage tend to lose all significance, extinction, degradation;
the natural outcomes of our ordered lives, power, motivation;
temporary fixtures for which we strive, something in our synapses
assures us we're ok but in our disequilibrium we simply can not stay,
it's entropy..., a stolid proposition from a man unkempt as i, my
affectations i can not rectify, but we are out of equilibrium
unnaturally, a pang of consciousness at death and then you will agree


seriously find me another band in any genre that uses the word "proliferation", sings songs about the power of entropy, and at the same time can write a brilliant line like "i'll believe in god when one and one are five" :)

Urban Hat€monger ? 01-18-2013 02:08 PM

It has to be said but I really fucking hate Bad Religion

Alfred 01-18-2013 02:25 PM

I agree that they are the one of the most overrated punk bands. Not Sex Pistols-overrated, but up there.

Case in point, this fuckface thinks that they're the greatest punk band ever.
http://www.nndb.com/people/222/00009...ke-2-sized.jpg

This is the only song by them I ever really loved.

Bad Religion - Tiny Voices (with lyrics) - YouTube

bob. 01-18-2013 02:29 PM

who is that?

Alfred 01-18-2013 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bob. (Post 1276184)
who is that?

Fat Mike of this band


NOFX - I Gotta Pee - YouTube

FRED HALE SR. 01-18-2013 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ? (Post 1276179)
It has to be said but I really fucking hate Bad Religion

One of those bands like Social Distortion that is very polarizing.

William_the_Bloody 01-18-2013 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ? (Post 1276179)
It has to be said but I really fucking hate Bad Religion

Thank you, okay lets rock.


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