Punks = Hippies + Violence???
 

One time a guy told me that punks are just Hippies with violence and no peace. It seems to make sense. I don't really consider myself a punk (I just listen to the music), so I don't know if that is a valid point or not.

I just thought I would throw this out there for people to think about and discuss. I'm sure some of you have heard it before. Nothing is ever new or original.

I dont agree with that ive been told although im a punk goth thing??? that im a real sweety just because your a punk doesnt nesacarilly (did i spell that right??) mean you have to be violent thats really just a load of crock :usehead: red

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I think that maybe it was more like a violent attitude, not just physical violence (although I think that plays a big part too).

They`re all teen fads in the end

^ While that is at least in part true, I think you will find that at least some portion of the constiuency of both groups are adults, and treat it as more than a fad.

Yeah but you could say that about anybody , my Dad used to be a teddy boy in the early 60s when he was a teen . He still does his hair the same way & listens to Buddy Holly.

ok but thats not what we are entirely about i mean just because we speak our minds doesnt really mean were violent in any way im not violent i sometimes have violent thoughts but doesnt everyone except maybe jesus actually cross that out do reall y think the son of god the one who flooded the whole world for being naughty didnt get at least a little bit pissed off once in a while??

And this changes what exactly? :)

It doesn`t change anything.

All i`m saying is that punks & hippies are not the only teen fad to survive. Just because a fad isn`t in vogue at a particular moment in time doesn`t mean it doesn`t exist.

There were hardly any punks in the late 80s , it was considered dead & buried at that time. The same with hippies , they were ridiculed like mad from the moment punk broke until the whole baggy thing started in the early 90s .It was all goths & ravers in the 80s with a few mods , soul boys & skinheads thrown in.

"punks are just Hippies with violence and no peace"
Isn't peace and anti-violence what hippies stood for? So that would make punks the opposite (according to the statement). I myself have come across very few 'violent' punks. I suppose crusties are the hippies of the punk movement.

Well, as I stated before, I believe that whomever said that was maybe refering more to attitude rather than action. Where as hippies are happy, promote peace and passivist lifestyles, punks are more angry, promoting protest and a harder style of living?? I'm not saying I advocate the statement that punks are just voilent hippies, but I just wanted to see what everyone else thought. It doesn't really make a hill of beans one way or another, but its just something interesting to think about.

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That doesn't make sense.
If I'm following your statement then a Punk can = Happy Burger King Employee + Violence.

Being a hippie is completely different from being a punk and if you take away that calm, passive attitude then you would have a regular person.
I mean seriously, if Jim Morrison got really angry you wouldn't have called him a punk.
If Sid Vicious stopped being so angry you wouldn't call him a hippie....
Jeez.

People always say punk is 'thinking for yourself', I partly believe this but punk was around before this statement was made. I believe you have to like the music at least to be punk. I also don't see why people put down anyone wearing the punk fashion as 'fashion punks'. Possibly all the punks used to wear that get-up, so why now is it deemed try hard by many of the non-looking punks?

Because most people who try and dress the 'get-up' really just listen to the music and have one or two friends that have a punk mentality. These punk friends talk about cool stuff like rebellion and anarchy and whatnot and these other people say, "Wow cool, I want to be like them."
I also think that people can also be classified as punks even if they don't like the music because Punks "think freely" without the influence of others on the decisions they make.
I mean, punk does have two definitions.
1. Punk-Rock Music.
2. A rebellious person who speaks their mind whenever they please and is always trying to find alternative methods of doing things.

I think people that follow others and don't speak their minds but only listen to the music are deemed to be "fashion punks".
That's my opinion on the matter.

yeah but it's impossible to think without the influence of others.

not impossible, just takes confidence or a real belief in whatever it is your thinking.

yes but this believe would have most lightly have been influenced. Only someone who had never met anyone and lived on there oddy knocky could think competely for themselves.

it just takes a little more originality to be a free thinker. I understand what your saying though, most actions are in some form or another influenced by what youve already experianced or by witnessing others experiance it, i agree to an extent but to say it is impossible for someone to think for themselves without outside influences defining their judgements or decisions seems odd to me. Sometimes you have to go out on a limb and try new things for yourself without someone telling you what to expect and base the results on your own experiance then come to a conclusion. its not too difficult to be yourself. Just takes balls.

^ Good Point :clap:

so hippies are placid punks then yeah? not all punks are violent, bit of a generalisation.

id say a bit rowdy at times, especially when alcohol is involved. but most punks ive known (those i would consider "real" punks) are rarely violent unless someone is violent towards them. Wasnt the original message something about peace and unity to begin with? Hippies had their go at it in their own way, i guess punks are just a little more driven by the anger knowing the hippie way didnt seem to work to well for them.

This thread is such an oxy-moron arent hippies against all types of violence??? *duh*!

^ Did you even read what the original post said?

I dont think a punk is any more violent than any other faction out there. If anything I think were less. I've seen alot more jocks running around picking fights and talking about killing things and dropping bombs than punks. I guess it may just be because I'm a big fan of peacepunk, but it seems to me that most punks are more concious about there enviroment and the problems with it and are therefor more likely to be against violence. I've never seen a real punk get in a fight just for kicks. All that stuff where you pick fights for fun is just lame. But honestly look at all the orginizations headed by punks, Plea for Peace, Food not Bombs, Anti Racist Action, S.H.A.R.P., etc. etc. Its not like the normal masses who sign up for the NRA or Army. I think most of us are pretty docile creatures unless threatened.

O yea! I forgot to mention that I imagine that an argument against my statement will be the yea-boiiii-jock-core bands as seen in videos like "The Boston Beatdown" Bands like hatebreed, earth crisis, blood for blood, agnostic front, death before dishonor, etc. etc. Well Simply put, I dont think these are punk or hardcore bands at all. All that stuff is just stupid, if someone and there "crew" were to come around where I live or into the TC scene Im pretty sure that there tales of bigotry, racism, ninja dancing, and random acts of violence there "crew" would be pretty quickly taken down and not alowed around for long. Once again I say retaliatory force, its not like there picking fights at shows or anything(yes Im aware some kids try to pull that ****) and ruin everyones fun, but most punks will retaliate if need be. I dont want to get in a fight but if your dooing something just dumb I will tell you to stop and if you pick a fight I wont be afraid to follow through. Anyway ugh, this probobly dosnt make any sense to anyone but me because im ramblling, blah blah blah blah.

^ That makes alot of sense. :clap: I think society has a real stereotype that punks pick fights, knife people, blow stuff up, etc. But as is the case with most stereotypes, it seems pretty false. I suppose there are those who live up to that though.

I dont think a punk is any more violent than any other faction out there. If anything I think were less. I've seen alot more jocks running around picking fights and talking about killing things and dropping bombs than punks. I guess it may just be because I'm a big fan of peacepunk, but it seems to me that most punks are more concious about there enviroment and the problems with it and are therefor more likely to be against violence. I've never seen a real punk get in a fight just for kicks. All that stuff where you pick fights for fun is just lame. But honestly look at all the orginizations headed by punks, Plea for Peace, Food not Bombs, Anti Racist Action, S.H.A.R.P., etc. etc. Its not like the normal masses who sign up for the NRA or Army. I think most of us are pretty docile creatures unless threatened.

I totally agree with you we can get violent but mainly if were f***** with the majority of punks think that thats what being punk is all about but no its the ultimate rebellion being obnoxious although i still dont think thats true.

Well theres always going to be instances of so called "eco terrorists" setting flame to suv's and evil corporate shops, but who can blame them. And at the same time members of those groups are the ones who have acctually made personal sacrifice for change. Theres always loopholes. By the late 60's the hippy movement was a joke and Im sure there were plnty of easily provoked hippies back then. The 80s' hardcore scene is shrouded with violence, thats life. Im sure htere is still many violent "punks" out there that dont think twice before doing whatever they can to show how toough they are, but at the same time I think most punks have become much much more socially aware on there stance with violence and stereotypical punk actions.

*lol* very complex lomost didnt get that ya i do think we aare becomeing more socially aware of our stance and more socially aware of all the stereotypical bastards that piss us off.

Those bands make why the hardcore scene is so shit, even though I do like the odd Agnostic Front song. Everyone listen to Gorilla Biscuits.

Over here in Ireland Punk was/is never really a violent thing,obviously like in all circles there have been violent incidents related to the word but in general it isn't.
Most punk is anti violence,things get a bit rowdy like the dancing and the rallying but it's not intentional violence.
Ireland was pretty much still in the dark ages when the whole hippy/punk and anything before that was happening so it all kinda emalgamated into one big culture boom in the early 80's.
I have to say that punk and all the political and social activism that goes with it did a lot for this country as opposed to any other cultural movement.A lot of the hippys became politicians and bankers and media moguls (money attraction) where as a lot of the punks became writers,artists and poets which had a great effect on a lot of young Irish people which encouraged and helped build a social state with a lot of freedom.
You can't take away the music from the word Punk,because thats where it all started,otherwise use the term anarchist,communist,socialist worker,Individualist and not Punk.
Skinheads should not be deemed punk,they are fascist violent thug ****s with nothing better to do.

Punk is music that holds a sense of community and revolution where the whole community are on equal par and have equal say in the revolution be you a fan or an artist.

Thats my two cents anyway.

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Worst misconception I hear all too often.

Although I agree with you Razors skinheads are usually veiwed differently throughout Europe. I've met many Germans who have the same veiw of skinheads simply because they have NEVER been exposed to anti-racist skins. Im sure that the concept of a skinhead is different in America and Ireland. While in America most skinheads are just punks who shaved there heads at the same time overseas its very possible there are much more racial implications.

I`ve always felt that the original punks placed more emphesis on shock value rather than actual violence.

I agree although I can't really comment as I don't live in europe or America so I don't know any of the implications.

In America, I think "skinhead" usually goes hand in hand with racisit. I don't run in any circles that bring me in contact with such people, so I can't really say whether or not its true. I just say its best to judge the individual, not the group. And make sure your judgement is on actions, not looks.

the way i figure, punk=bill clinton-the bj girl...


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I know plenty of peace lovin' punks and aggro hippies.

so punks are " violent hippies"? Well that's an oxymoron-now most punks are liberals and liberals are basicly hippies ( they're both on the left wing ). So, in some ways i guess that would work out but then again not all punks are the same. Now days we just come across the kids who claim to be punk one day and then claim some other trendy lable. They just want attention- not to be different. HAve you noticed how everyone has the same hair and clothing- punks are all about originality- but kids now days just don't have it.