Punk Rock is Bullsh*t (article/essay)

Necromancer · 07-09-2013, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

I thought about "Substitute" a couple of days ago. The thing is, if you're looking for punk forerunners--there you go. Early stuff like that by groups that were NOT punk but who did certain songs that inspired a new generation to develop into punks. But the New York Dolls, the Ramones, the Stooges, MC5, the Voidoids were punk. No other label can be convincingly applied. I mean, come on:

Well of course I agree 100%. Although I would pick the band Television beside The Dolls in lower Manhattan 1971 to '73, verses popular opinion between "74 and '76.

~~Lord Larehip~~ · 07-09-2013, 08:52 PM

"Mona" started off as a blues by Bo Diddley in 1957, was redone by Buddy Holly that same year but never released. The Stones, Troggs and Quicksilver Messenger Service all cut versions. But this version by the Teddy Boys (from New York) is certainly a punk forerunner. It sounds positively tribal:

The Teddy Boys "Mona" - YouTube

Ironically, the real English teddies generally despise the punks in part because "They look stupid." Hmmm...Last time I checked, there were very few Nobel laureates in standing in line wearing a greased-back quiff, mutton-chop sideburns, a slim jim tie and a crepe rubber shoes.

~~Lord Larehip~~ · 07-09-2013, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

That album came out a full year after punk broke in the UK.
Nothing more than New York art rock jumping on a bandwagon.

But since you're only winding me up as several other Brits on this thread have stated that Brits are prone to do, why should I take you seriously? Or, for that matter, henceforth pay you any attention at all?

Necromancer · 07-09-2013, 09:00 PM

Youth culture movements go both ways as well, since the Greasers during the 50s here in the states.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 07-09-2013, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

But since you're only winding me up as several other Brits on this thread have stated that Brits are prone to do, why should I take you seriously? Or, for that matter, henceforth pay you any attention at all?

If you feel that way don't reply.
And no i'm not winding you up, is it really hard for you to comprehend someone might have a different opinion to your own.
Besides, you continually post videos and make waffling posts about bands from the 50s & 60s just like I said you would but not countered my main point which you still have not got a answer for in that it wouldn't be a scene, it wouldn't have a name and if it we wouldn't be discussing it now had it not all kicked off in London.

Necromancer · 07-09-2013, 09:16 PM

You know, like I stated before. I really like The Who as one of the first bands to introduce me personally to punk. Moon was a Punk, Glam, all of the above. And Townshend... what a great writer. I know its more influence than being actual punk music, but in the same way Judas Priest was the first band to really resonate a metal sound.

Newkie · 07-10-2013, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

I don''t know if that's particularly true about British kids. I'll agree with you about American kids, though. Britain does have an Eddie Cochran Society and most Americans have completely forgotten him so you might have something but I don't know if it's as true about today's British kids as opposed to British kids in the past.

I am a fan of George Formby but I've run into younger Brits who don't know who he is. They might learn later on though. Britain, as a whole, seems to remember George Formby. In America, our big uke heroes were Cliff Edwards (Ukulele Ike) and Roy Smeck. Amazing musicians and singers. America has utterly, completely forgotten them--completely. This is odd considering that Edwards was cast as Jiminy Cricket in Disney's Pinocchio and sang "When You Wish Upon a Star"--one of the most famous songs of the 20th century. Formby never had a hit like that and still the Brits remember him.

We still learn about Formby but through the Second World War which almost half hour "high school" history is based on. Plus he often makes an appearance on documentaries. He and tea basically won the war for us, after all.

George Formby - Imagine Me On The Maginot Line. - YouTube

Choon and a half!

Unknown Soldier · 07-10-2013, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Necromancer

I personally think The Who were one of the first to bring certain elements of punk rock to the masses more so than any other band or artist ever did. If I had to pick one of the first main innovators of punk rock, it would be the Who - My Generation (1965). Moon, Townshend, Daltrey, & Entwistle.

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Originally Posted by Necromancer

You know, like I stated before. I really like The Who as one of the first bands to introduce me personally to punk. Moon was a Punk, Glam, all of the above. And Townshend... what a great writer. I know its more influence than being actual punk music, but in the same way Judas Priest was the first band to really resonate a metal sound.

You've basically just highlighted what some of us have been saying, in that all these groups pre-1976 were just bands that helped to influence the punk movement, rather than ever being punk bands in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Newkie

We still learn about Formby but through the Second World War which almost half hour "high school" history is based on. Plus he often makes an appearance on documentaries. He and tea basically won the war for us, after all.

Choon and a half!

Listening to George Formby singing and banging on that damn ukulele, is about as painful as it gets.

Newkie · 07-10-2013, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Listening to George Formby singing and banging on that damn ukulele, is about as painful as it gets.

Ah yes, but after a few years of soggy teabags, German Panzers rolling over you and your comrades, V2 rockets flying overhead and that damn Rene Artois gibbering in the background I can see the appeal of Formby and his Uke.

Dr_Rez · 07-10-2013, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

all these groups pre-1976 were just bands that helped to influence the punk movement, rather than ever being punk bands in the first place.

Iggy Pop/Stooges

07-09-2013, 09:16 PM	#76 (permalink)
Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	You know, like I stated before. I really like The Who as one of the first bands to introduce me personally to punk. Moon was a Punk, Glam, all of the above. And Townshend... what a great writer. I know its more influence than being actual punk music, but in the same way Judas Priest was the first band to really resonate a metal sound. Last edited by Necromancer; 07-10-2013 at 07:18 AM.

07-09-2013, 08:52 PM	#72 (permalink)
~~Lord Larehip~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 899	"Mona" started off as a blues by Bo Diddley in 1957, was redone by Buddy Holly that same year but never released. The Stones, Troggs and Quicksilver Messenger Service all cut versions. But this version by the Teddy Boys (from New York) is certainly a punk forerunner. It sounds positively tribal: The Teddy Boys "Mona" - YouTube Ironically, the real English teddies generally despise the punks in part because "They look stupid." Hmmm...Last time I checked, there were very few Nobel laureates in standing in line wearing a greased-back quiff, mutton-chop sideburns, a slim jim tie and a crepe rubber shoes.

07-09-2013, 09:00 PM	#74 (permalink)
Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	Youth culture movements go both ways as well, since the Greasers during the 50s here in the states.