They are wrong and I am right u fuckboy

:)

But seriously are you ****ing kidding me the Clash didn't change up their sound as I apparently perpetuate? What? The s/t and Give Em Enough Rope are rather similar but they branched way the **** out

I am a **** man, get it right youngster. :nono:

I think the Clash made some slight changes after Give em enough, but not anything overt, as London Calling wasn't a real drastic departure from both of those. I'd say in their later albums they added a more poppy approach but it was still distinctly The Clash.

I wasn't a big fan either. They did some ok things but...

As far as early punk went, I'm still faithful to my Detroit homeboys--the Stooges and the MC5.

You're not going to make it big playing hardcore. I just enjoyed it. It was fun. I liked having a gig every week. But once grunge came, that was the end of it. The skinheads avoided it too and I could not figure that out. If ever a group of people deserved to have the skinheads inflicted on them, it was the grunge crowd. The skins' stupid violence was in part what killed hardcore.

To each their own.

I never said they were! The other guy was saying they were too anti-intellectual to be influenced by something like dada. I asked him how he knows that and it seems that he doesn't. All I said was that they could have been since when you're playing an underground band in a big city you WILL meet a lot of people and make a lot of connections and get turned on to a lot of stuff you didn't know about before. I'm speaking from personal experience and if it happened to me, why wouldn't have happened to the Ramones?

I never met any of them. I wasn't even a big Ramones fan.

The Clash DID change up their sound and they stopped being punk.

Nope, but I learned about them. Same way you learned about them. Any less relevant? No. Moving on.


Dada is a pretty embracing movement to take on when you're trying to counter the previous movements. It actually traces back to some of the Beatles' and Bowie's songwriting, which doesn't seem like their biggest points of inspiration; though Bowie helped the Stooges out and the Beatles took from Phil Spector, they highlighted proggier elements of music that I don't think Punk rock would have exactly wanted to take cues from.

Hey, if you want to sit here and lie, that's fine, but I did point you to a source, go look back at my reply before last. But you're actually the one getting called on bullshit here, I'd like to not be projected upon.

Oh, you didn't, my bad, I just misunderstood you when you said:

How do you figure? Is it because I didn't agree?

Yeah, like Hip Hop. And since I'm not listing enough documentaries for you, here.

You didn't play when or where the Ramones played, as the Ramones or their peers. That's possibly why.

If you learned about them the same way I did then how can you know their artistic predilections if I didn't?

No, you're thinking of Magritte. Paul is a big Magritte fan. That's not dada, I hope you know. Magritte was not a dadaist. There's a big difference between:

http://www.rene-magritte.org/images/...rse-Riding.JPG

and:

http://d111vui60acwyt.cloudfront.net...3_original.jpg

Now, gee, which picture would you be more likely to see on a punk album cover? We already know which one appeared on a prog band's album cover (although not a very good prog band IMO),

U mad this song rulez??

The first four albums more or less sounded the same, after that they did get a little different but for the most part stuck to what they liked and were capable of. There's nothing wrong with that, they knew what they wanted to do and did it instead of hoping on the new wave bandwagon. I'm not saying that's entirely what The Clash did but after London Calling they started to suck, imo. Combat Rock had a few good tracks, Sandinista was so awful I've never even been able to finish it front to back without skipping a few songs, and Cut the Crap was ****ing horrible.

This video sums it up pretty clearly, the whole interview is pretty cool but the parts relevant here are from 3:40-4:00 and 4:48-5:40.




People who love the Ramones love them because of their dedication to their original idea. They're not a band you listen to if you're the type of person who needs a drastic leap song to song, album to album. Nothing wrong with that either, just tryna point out that variety doesn't always make a band better and that's not what everyone expects from every band they listen to if any.