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Dylstew 07-27-2014 10:47 AM

Underrated Punk bands.
 
What do you think are some underrated punk bands? Bands you think deserve to be more well known?

I think Really Red and Big Boys are pretty underrated.
People barely know about them, yet they're great. Dicks are pretty good too.

I recently discovered X. No, not the Los Angeles X, X from Australia. Also a punk band formed in the same year.

So what punk bands do you think deserve some more credit?

Mormo Zine 07-27-2014 04:39 PM

I think the old school LA band The Skulls should be more well known then they are.

I saw them live and bought a pretty awesome DVD off of them.

Original LA punk.

:band:

GuD 07-27-2014 08:21 PM

Totally yeah for Dicks and Big Boys. Great bands. Never heard of The Skulls or Really Red.

They're one of those bands who kinda blur the line between Punk and Indie Rock but Squirrel Bait are fantastic and relatively unheard of. Also The Gun Club.

GoogaMooga 07-28-2014 02:05 PM

anybody here know the flys? they were bordering on punk. best song: waikiki beach refugees. i see that the album by that title is fetching $115 on amazon, wowee!

blackdragon123 07-28-2014 02:13 PM

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FRED HALE SR. 07-28-2014 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1473075)
Totally yeah for Dicks and Big Boys. Great bands. Never heard of The Skulls or Really Red.

They're one of those bands who kinda blur the line between Punk and Indie Rock but Squirrel Bait are fantastic and relatively unheard of. Also The Gun Club.

Gun Club is excellent, they tend to get some praise from various outlets though. My faves in the underground are clearly Disguster and Co-dependents. I think judging from Bob's Smut Peddlers thread that they are underrated also.

Rexx Shredd 07-28-2014 04:10 PM

Punk really hit a stride in the early 00s...I think its hard to be beat bands like Rufio, Anti-Flag, or 88 Fingers Louie

Psy-Fi 07-29-2014 04:12 AM

Saw this band play live back in the day...


The Proletariat - Religion is the Opium of the Masses

Also saw these guys around the same time...


Gang Green- Alcohol - YouTube

And anyone else remember this band?


Forgotten Rebels - Highschool Hookers - YouTube

At the time, I thought all 3 bands were among the better live punk acts around and thought they deserved more recognition than they got.

James 07-29-2014 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rexx Shredd (Post 1473279)
Punk really hit a stride in the early 00s...

:laughing:

I think Australian punk is heavily underrated. Bands like The Scientists, Radio Birdman, and The Saints don't get nearly enough attention overseas. Even more so that those three is The Drones, a modern punk band better than any other that barely anybody ever mentions.

Sansa Stark 07-29-2014 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew (Post 1472953)
What do you think are some underrated punk bands? Bands you think deserve to be more well known?

I think Really Red and Big Boys are pretty underrated.
People barely know about them, yet they're great. Dicks are pretty good too.

I recently discovered X. No, not the Los Angeles X, X from Australia. Also a punk band formed in the same year.

So what punk bands do you think deserve some more credit?

Any X that isn't Exene and John Doe etc it's irrelevant tbh

Only X that matters

I kinda wanna say that Crass are seriously underrated but that'd be clouded by the fact 80% of people who say they're fans are lying.

Anarcho punk bands are criminally underrated tho, Poison Girls and Omega Tribe especially.

Dylstew 07-29-2014 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sansa Stark (Post 1473486)
Any X that isn't Exene and John Doe etc it's irrelevant tbh

Only X that matters

I kinda wanna say that Crass are seriously underrated but that'd be clouded by the fact 80% of people who say they're fans are lying.

Anarcho punk bands are criminally underrated tho, Poison Girls and Omega Tribe especially.

Why is it irrelevant? Just because of the name?The band I mentioned is pretty damn good imo.

GravitySlips 07-31-2014 11:19 PM

X from Australia are better than X from LA to be honest.
Well maybe not, but I certainly prefer them. Writing them off is just daft.
The Ex > X (Australia) > X (LA)

Also, WhateverDude, you should check out Really Red if you like the Big Boys and the Dicks. Really Red are criminally obscure - they were a real smart and original band, great lyrics, weird melodies and (like Big Boys/Minutemen) some fantastic bass playing. Lots of Texas hardcore bands were among the best in the 80s scene and Really Red are up there - none better than the Big Boys, though. Big Boys were brilliant from start to finish, and it's a shame they're not so well known in comparison to a band like Bad Brains, who were brilliant for one album and half of another, and atrocious thereafter.

Dicks too. What a fantastic band.
We've probably all heard the Mudhoney cover of Hate The Police. Original slays it!

Kudos to the threadstarter. All great ****ing bands. The vast majority of 80s hardcore is average to rubbish, but you've nailed some of the better obscure stuff. X from Aus too, brilliant band.

Some others I think should be more well known:

Die Kreuzen, Saccharine Trust, Void, Negative Approach, The Effigies (their first two EPs - wow!!!), early Naked Raygun before they turned into an American Stiff Little Fingers, Squirrel Bait, Man Sized Action, Rudimentary Peni, Fang, Angry Samoans, Crucifucks, Tar Babies,

Didjits too. What a fun band Didjits were!

Cows too. Cows rule!
No Trend as well.
And Bastro. If you like Big Black, you'll probably like Bastro.

And JFA. I used to love JFA. I think I'd hate them now though, unlike everyone else I've mentioned who I still endorse to varying degrees. Same applies to Reagan Youth.

So much good ****.
Such an incoherent post.
Aw well...

Dylstew 08-01-2014 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GravitySlips (Post 1474394)
X from Australia are better than X from LA to be honest.
Well maybe not, but I certainly prefer them. Writing them off is just daft.
The Ex > X (Australia) > X (LA)

Also, WhateverDude, you should check out Really Red if you like the Big Boys and the Dicks. Really Red are criminally obscure - they were a real smart and original band, great lyrics, weird melodies and (like Big Boys/Minutemen) some fantastic bass playing. Lots of Texas hardcore bands were among the best in the 80s scene and Really Red are up there - none better than the Big Boys, though. Big Boys were brilliant from start to finish, and it's a shame they're not so well known in comparison to a band like Bad Brains, who were brilliant for one album and half of another, and atrocious thereafter.

Dicks too. What a fantastic band.
We've probably all heard the Mudhoney cover of Hate The Police. Original slays it!

Kudos to the threadstarter. All great ****ing bands. The vast majority of 80s hardcore is average to rubbish, but you've nailed some of the better obscure stuff. X from Aus too, brilliant band.

Some others I think should be more well known:

Die Kreuzen, Saccharine Trust, Void, Negative Approach, The Effigies (their first two EPs - wow!!!), early Naked Raygun before they turned into an American Stiff Little Fingers, Squirrel Bait, Man Sized Action, Rudimentary Peni, Fang, Angry Samoans, Crucifucks, Tar Babies,

Didjits too. What a fun band Didjits were!

Cows too. Cows rule!
No Trend as well.
And Bastro. If you like Big Black, you'll probably like Bastro.

And JFA. I used to love JFA. I think I'd hate them now though, unlike everyone else I've mentioned who I still endorse to varying degrees. Same applies to Reagan Youth.

So much good ****.
Such an incoherent post.
Aw well...

heh, I thought Negative Approach and Angry Samoans were rather well known. Anyways, I'll check some of those bands out soon.

I also noticed there's a lot of **** in 80's hardcore punk. Just..generic, bland, mediocre music that sounds the same. I never knew something so energetic and aggressive could sound so boring. I noticed that all of the good ones have a sound that just, stands out from the norm. That's why the popular ones like Minor Threat, Bad Brains and Black Flag don't sound alike, regardless of Punk's simplicity. So when you first get into the genre, it SEEMS like there's a lot of variety, but there actually isn't.
The ones that do sound the same, the typical hardcore punk bands, are the ones that are uninteresting. There has to be something distinguishable going on. Either that, or it has to be done really well, or improved upon.

But some bands just didn't get the attention they deserve. Big Boys, Dicks, Really red, deserve to be up there with Minor Threat, Bad Brains, The Dead Kennedys, Misfits, Fear, etc,. They deserve to be in those ''best punk'' lists.... but they somehow aren't :c. But bands like them show that under the sea of generic bands, there is some gold in there if you look hard enough. Just gotta keep searching.

Sturgeon's law says 90% of everything is ****. thing is, most people are too lazy to dig through the **** to find that 10% of gold.


edit: Also, speaking of Dicks, I can't find the ''These People'' album anywhere :'(

GravitySlips 08-01-2014 06:14 PM

The problem with 80s hardcore was its insularity. A lot of the bands resisted any temptation to change their approach, instead sticking with the same tired formula - essentially what you said above. Most of the "NY" hardcore bands were bad for this, and a lot of the California bands too. Texas was the most fertile place for interesting variants on the genre - the bands you mention, and of course bigger ones like the Butthole Surfers and Scratch Acid too. They had DRI too, who I don't like, but they definitely created something pretty different with that blast beat crossover whatever.

Many of the bands who did develop away from their hardcore roots - like Black Flag - were met with a lot of hostility from their fans. It was, for the most part, a pretty myopic and insular scene.

However, when you start with such a stripped down template, like the early Bad Brains and Black Flag records, the potential to do interesting things with it is rife. It allowed for some weird music that would never have caught on before. Early Naked Raygun is a prime example... just totally weird punk songs, short and strangely structured, sloppy, funny and brilliant. A bunch of legit weirdoes making interesting music, in spite of not being particularly talented technically. Then they learned to play and became rubbish, which was a shame!

There's a lot to be said for the bands who used hardcore punk and punk in general as a template for doing strange and unique things. There was SO MUCH of that in the 80s, so many bands synthesizing the same influences into something totally unique, but a lot of these bands languish in obscurity now.

I guess when it comes down to it, there were a handful of really great 80s hardcore bands, a lot of boring, awful ones, and a helluva lot of brilliant bands who operated on the fringes of that scene.

Dylstew 08-03-2014 03:28 AM

Does anyone know Dr. Know? They're pretty good.
Has a bit of a crossover thrash thing going on.

Black Francis 08-03-2014 08:40 AM

I don't listen to alot of punk anymore but 2 bands come to mind, Pansy division and Siniestro total.

One of them is a gay punk group and the other one is a spanish punk group..




GuD 08-03-2014 10:55 AM

Dude, Pansy Division are awesome! I got to see um a while ago at a queer collective bookstore. It was pretty punk rock.

Black Francis 08-03-2014 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1475124)
Dude, Pansy Division are awesome! I got to see um a while ago at a queer collective bookstore. It was pretty punk rock.

Yea they are i remember discovering them by mistake on Napster cause they were labeled incorrectly as Joy division but i liked them anyway..

bob. 08-19-2014 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1473271)
Gun Club is excellent, they tend to get some praise from various outlets though. My faves in the underground are clearly Disguster and Co-dependents. I think judging from Bob's Smut Peddlers thread that they are underrated also.

you mean the fact that not one person replied to it? :(

and yeah....been playing Co-Dependents a lot lately



by the way the album you gave me is called 13 Golden Love Songs and it was sooo fucking hard to track down the song titles :)

Engine 08-19-2014 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GravitySlips (Post 1474644)
The problem with 80s hardcore was its insularity. A lot of the bands resisted any temptation to change their approach, instead sticking with the same tired formula - essentially what you said above. Most of the "NY" hardcore bands were bad for this, and a lot of the California bands too. Texas was the most fertile place for interesting variants on the genre - the bands you mention, and of course bigger ones like the Butthole Surfers and Scratch Acid too. They had DRI too, who I don't like, but they definitely created something pretty different with that blast beat crossover whatever.

Many of the bands who did develop away from their hardcore roots - like Black Flag - were met with a lot of hostility from their fans. It was, for the most part, a pretty myopic and insular scene.

However, when you start with such a stripped down template, like the early Bad Brains and Black Flag records, the potential to do interesting things with it is rife. It allowed for some weird music that would never have caught on before. Early Naked Raygun is a prime example... just totally weird punk songs, short and strangely structured, sloppy, funny and brilliant. A bunch of legit weirdoes making interesting music, in spite of not being particularly talented technically. Then they learned to play and became rubbish, which was a shame!

There's a lot to be said for the bands who used hardcore punk and punk in general as a template for doing strange and unique things. There was SO MUCH of that in the 80s, so many bands synthesizing the same influences into something totally unique, but a lot of these bands languish in obscurity now.

I guess when it comes down to it, there were a handful of really great 80s hardcore bands, a lot of boring, awful ones, and a helluva lot of brilliant bands who operated on the fringes of that scene.

Holy shit, you've never typed so many characters!
Mostly agree with you as usual.

From one of my favorite albums ever:


FRED HALE SR. 08-20-2014 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bob. (Post 1480367)
you mean the fact that not one person replied to it? :(

and yeah....been playing Co-Dependents a lot lately



by the way the album you gave me is called 13 Golden Love Songs and it was sooo fucking hard to track down the song titles :)

Yep I knew the name of the album. I know a majority of the song names also, but doesn't that just make it more punk rock. Great album though.

bob. 08-20-2014 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew (Post 1475060)
Does anyone know Dr. Know? They're pretty good.
Has a bit of a crossover thrash thing going on.

love the early Dr Know but lost interest when they went full metal with This Island Earth and Wreckage in Flesh....although both of those albums really are pretty ok

love the fact that Cruz came back and that they tour non stop....i actually still need to check out that album they put out back in 2009

very underrated and seemingly unknown band from Berkeley in the early 90s 411....although anybody who watched skate videos from 90-92 or 3 has probably at least heard one song this is also the band that launched the carrier of drummer Mario Rubalcaba who went on to drum for Rocket from the Crypt, Hot Snakes and now for OFF!

they only released one album called "This Isn't Me" which gets mixed reviews mainly due to the singers vocal approach.....very much like that of later Government Issue....but i dig Dan O'Mahony's vocals


FRED HALE SR. 08-20-2014 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bob. (Post 1480512)
love the early Dr Know but lost interest when they went full metal with This Island Earth and Wreckage in Flesh....although both of those albums really are pretty ok

love the fact that Cruz came back and that they tour non stop....i actually still need to check out that album they put out back in 2009

very underrated and seemingly unknown band from Berkeley in the early 90s 411....although anybody who watched skate videos from 90-92 or 3 has probably at least heard one song this is also the band that launched the carrier of drummer Mario Rubalcaba who went on to drum for Rocket from the Crypt, Hot Snakes and now for OFF!

they only released one album called "This Isn't Me" which gets mixed reviews mainly due to the singers vocal approach.....very much like that of later Government Issue....but i dig Dan O'Mahony's vocals


Good stuff indeed. I really dig Government Issue but they are probably ranked where they should be. Hit or miss production causes alot of punk to fall by the wayside.

Dylstew 08-22-2014 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The Smile Hooks (Post 1481033)
Four year strong is insanely underated... i honestly cannnot believe they arnt MEGA famous

........................................

Wpnfire 10-07-2014 11:35 PM

Just because an band doesn't have any variety doesn't mean they can't be good. I'll take a generic hardcore band over black flag in heartbeat, cause I don't want to listen to some crappy half-assed comedy hardcore song like TV Party. **** that ****.

Also I know they're not a punk band, but AC/DC has consistently put out great songs with the same song structure for decades. So it is possible to still be great and not have much variety.

GuD 10-08-2014 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wpnfire (Post 1494729)
Just because an band doesn't have any variety doesn't mean they can't be good. I'll take a generic hardcore band over black flag in heartbeat, cause I don't want to listen to some crappy half-assed comedy hardcore song like TV Party. **** that ****.

Also I know they're not a punk band, but AC/DC has consistently put out great songs with the same song structure for decades. So it is possible to still be great and not have much variety.

there is so much you don't know

Honestly Black Flag are the worst example you could use when talking about cookie-cutter hardcore bands. The early stuff sure, but it was original at the time. Once hardcore started getting stale and infiltrated by uberviolent neo-not-actually-nazi ****heads Black Flag and several other bands started branching out. Have you heard anything from their later discography? They have a few releases that might as well be avant-garde art rock.

Janszoon 10-08-2014 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Wpnfire (Post 1494729)
Just because an band doesn't have any variety doesn't mean they can't be good. I'll take a generic hardcore band over black flag in heartbeat, cause I don't want to listen to some crappy half-assed comedy hardcore song like TV Party. **** that ****.

Like WD said, Black Flag did a pretty wide variety of stuff. I wouldn't judge them by one song.

Urban Hat€monger ? 10-09-2014 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wpnfire (Post 1494729)
Just because an band doesn't have any variety doesn't mean they can't be good. I'll take a generic hardcore band over black flag in heartbeat, cause I don't want to listen to some crappy half-assed comedy hardcore song like TV Party. **** that ****.

Yeah and I hate that David Bowie dude because I don't want to listen to some crappy half-assed comedy kids song like The Laughing Gnome.

:rolleyes:

Dylstew 10-11-2014 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wpnfire (Post 1494729)
Just because an band doesn't have any variety doesn't mean they can't be good. I'll take a generic hardcore band over black flag in heartbeat, cause I don't want to listen to some crappy half-assed comedy hardcore song like TV Party. **** that ****.

Also I know they're not a punk band, but AC/DC has consistently put out great songs with the same song structure for decades. So it is possible to still be great and not have much variety.

Bon Scott at least had some kind of variety. The Brian Johnson era however...Ugh, I listened to all their studio albums, but it was hard to do. It was the same exact thing over and over and over. It wasn't bad, but it was still extremely repetetive. That's why I prefer Bon Scott. Plus, in the Bon Scott era they still made blues rock songs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1495098)
there is so much you don't know

Honestly Black Flag are the worst example you could use when talking about cookie-cutter hardcore bands. The early stuff sure, but it was original at the time. Once hardcore started getting stale and infiltrated by uberviolent neo-not-actually-nazi ****heads Black Flag and several other bands started branching out. Have you heard anything from their later discography? They have a few releases that might as well be avant-garde art rock.

Exactly. Black Flag's sound has always sounded different each era, which I really appreciate.

Machine 10-11-2014 10:06 PM

Kind of Folk-Punk but nonetheless Wingnut Dishwasher Union and Ramshackle Glory are awesome bands

Wpnfire 10-12-2014 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew (Post 1496082)
Bon Scott at least had some kind of variety. The Brian Johnson era however...Ugh, I listened to all their studio albums, but it was hard to do. It was the same exact thing over and over and over. It wasn't bad, but it was still extremely repetetive. That's why I prefer Bon Scott. Plus, in the Bon Scott era they still made blues rock songs.

I really don't care. They've consistently put out jaw-dropping riffs time and time again and I don't care if they do that for the next 5000 years I will still like and support them.

Now here's my point with all that, you either like the songs and albums a band puts out, or you don't. I've never cared if a band puts out two albums that don't have any progression from one album to the next. I've never cared about that, and I barely acknowledge "a lack of variety" on an album-to-album basis. It's a fine complaint within a particular album, but not on a band's progression.

So...

I don't care that most hardcore punk bands in the 80s all sounded the same. I actually see that as maybe even a good thing, more stuff that I KNOW I WILL LIKE because it's the same. It's not like with damaged where I go in thinking that I like hardcore punk, but I really don't like a long minute of just pure noise-rock like the beginning of "Life of Pain," or songs like "Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie" that have some pretty sick guitar parts, great vocals but childish lyrics and then of course my most hated track is "TV Party" just because I don't care for the subject matter and how silly it is. On that note, "Depression" and "Damage II" are probably the only songs where the lyrics don't bring down the rest of the song. At tops, damaged has 4 good songs.

bob. 10-13-2014 01:23 PM

i think maybe you missed the whole point of TV Party....it's mocking those people rather than celebrating Tv

Holerbot6000 10-28-2014 03:26 PM

It wasn't even that Hardcore was getting stale, it was just this incredibly violent element suddenly started appearing and challenging people as to the level of their Punk-ness. What started out fun and cathartic turned ugly real fast.

It never fails to happen - take a bunch of people who are disenfranchised outcasts and give them some organizing principle that they can rally around and they will almost immediately start creating elitist rules about who qualifies to be in their little clique. Some of these turds even started challenging the bands about whether they were Punk enough, and that's when Black Flag had enough and started playing Doom Metal just to piss people off.

The early 80's So Cal punk scene was amazing but it was over too quick thanks to a bunch of stupid, insecure jerks. It was fun while it lasted though (sigh).

I will also defend the whole of Damaged as a stone punk classic from start to finish, but I also dug Black Flags more metal records too. Drinkin' black coffee, stare at the WALL!

Dylstew 10-29-2014 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Holerbot6000 (Post 1502114)
It wasn't even that Hardcore was getting stale, it was just this incredibly violent element suddenly started appearing and challenging people as to the level of their Punk-ness. What started out fun and cathartic turned ugly real fast.

It never fails to happen - take a bunch of people who are disenfranchised outcasts and give them some organizing principle that they can rally around and they will almost immediately start creating elitist rules about who qualifies to be in their little clique. Some of these turds even started challenging the bands about whether they were Punk enough, and that's when Black Flag had enough and started playing Doom Metal just to piss people off.

The early 80's So Cal punk scene was amazing but it was over too quick thanks to a bunch of stupid, insecure jerks. It was fun while it lasted though (sigh).

I will also defend the whole of Damaged as a stone punk classic from start to finish, but I also dug Black Flags more metal records too. Drinkin' black coffee, stare at the WALL!

Actually, that's still going on, just in a different way, and it probably always will.
I'll leave you with a fitting song:

DEAD REJECTS LYRICS - Punk Rock Is Stupid

Holerbot6000 10-29-2014 07:02 AM

It's human nature I guess. I saw a movie about the gay Bear movement - these gay guys who were ostracized for being fat and/or furry formed their own clique and its kind of inspiring until these people I felt sorry for started going on about 'Fake Bears' and all these rules they suddenly had and clearly, they had become just as corrupted and elite as the people who ostracized them in the first place.

We are sheep. It's one of the many reasons I prefer music to people. Of course, now I'm probably being elitist. You can't win!

Dylstew 11-06-2014 06:09 AM

Got two underrated punk bands for you guys.
The first is ''Bob and the Sagets''(that name xD), a Ska Punk band by the same dudes from the Menzingers. Only one album exists, it has 9 songs.

The second is ''Pung'', a band by the same people of the Emo band ''I Hate Myself''. I can only find the ''State of the Youth'' Ep, but I know they've never made a studio album.


GrapeApe 12-05-2014 12:34 PM

Fugazi

Dylstew 12-06-2014 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GrapeApe (Post 1518248)
Fugazi

How is Fugazi underrated? A lot of Punk fans know how great Fugazi is! It's one of the most known post-hardcore bands.

OccultHawk 12-06-2014 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew (Post 1518872)
How is Fugazi underrated? A lot of Punk fans know how great Fugazi is! It's one of the most known post-hardcore bands.

They might be the most OVERRATED.

Dylstew 12-07-2014 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1518876)
They might be the most OVERRATED.

Nah man, the albums are great, their sound is unique in the post-hardcore genre, and their albums don't all sound the same.
I think they deserve the praise.


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