New wave & Post punk

Kingsc23 · 12-07-2015, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

What did you mean when you said you hear things different from others even things not intended by the artist.?

that was the part that set me off cause i read it as you saying that you know what genre an artist should be labeled as even if he doesn't know it himself.

Geez. As individuals we comprehend things differently; that is what I mean by "hear things different from others".

Black Francis · 12-07-2015, 03:05 PM

I get that, but given the context and your stand on the argument you were having with Akyho, it seemed you basically were saying "I listen to alot of of music so i know what is what even if other ppl don't get it" and given that all your references to new wave artist have been mainstream ones that any casual listener knows im inclined to think you actually don't know much about new wave much less what is or isn't new wave..

You can prove me wrong though, post some new wave songs, let's see what you got.

Kingsc23 · 12-07-2015, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

I get that, but given the context and your stand on the argument you were having with Akyho, it seemed you basically were saying "I listen to alot of of music so i know what is what even of other ppl don't get it" and given that all your references to new wave artist have been mainstream ones that any casual listener knows im inclined to think you actually don't know much about new wave much less what is or isn't new wave..

You can prove me wrong though, post some new wave songs, let's see what you got.

I don't have anything to prove, but I like talking about music; so I'll play along.

First New Wave song I ever heard was Talking Heads- Once in A Lifetime.
I remember seeing the video for the first time in 1987. Something about David Byrne's spastic dancing use drove me crazy lol.

Saying Talking Heads is my favorite New Wave band is a understatement.
here's some of my favorite songs by them.

Psycho Killer- Talking Heads: 77

Stay Up Late- Little Creatures

Take Me Up The River- More Songs About Buildings & Food

Once in A Life Time- Remain in Light

Burning Down The House- Speaking in Tongues

Stay Hungry- More Songs About Buildings & Food

Lady Don't Mind- Little Creatures

Other New Waves songs I like.

The Police- Roxanne, Don't Stand So Close To Me

Devo- Whip It, It's a Beautiful World, Fresh

The B52's- Rock Lobster

The Icicle Works- Birds Fly (Whisper to a Scream)

Blondie- Heart Of Glass, rapture

Men At Work- Down Under, Who Can it Be Now

The Human League- Human, Don't you want me

Men without Hats- Safety Dance

Power Station- Some Like It Hot

Tubeway Army/Gary Numan- Are Friends Electric?, Cars

I don't really listen to Duran Duran, Culture Club, The Bangles, Bananarama. I'm sure there are others, I'd have to look at my music again later.

Akyho · 12-07-2015, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingsc23

The Police- Roxanne, Don't Stand So Close To Me

I do not particularly dispute your claims of new wave on the other songs as they are new wave in some fashion...

However I feel the most opposed to putting The Police with those two tracks as new wave and those two examples are Reggae Rock since The Police are actually a super weirdly successfully group who did Reggae rock, YOU DON'T HEAR MUCH REGGAE ROCK! LET ALONE FROM WHITE GUYS!

There are some of The Police songs that can be called New wave (Largely due to how vague New wave is to define.) but Roxanne and Don't Stand So close to Me, are not those.

Can they be called a New wave band? sorta kinda? Easier to say "They had a New wave period." like with alot of bands of the period.

However the thing that actually gives me a crisis of new wave....what?...YES I have coined the term "crisis of new wave" which makes me question. What IS New Wave? Is THIS New Wave?

Haysi Fantayzee - John Wayne is a Big Leggy (someone posted them in the post a worse song than the one before thread....and I have fascinated by them since.....oh and the crisis of New wave thing....and I kind of like them....and hate them.)

Officially they are labelled New Wave....its official cos Wikipedia told me..... However in my mind I go "Are they New Wave?...they sort of are?...yet not...sort of sounds a little new wavy.....but not."

Haysi Fantayzee is my Schroedinger's cat....

Toyah sings it best.

As well as being pretty uber New wave in doing so.

Which youtube then just tells me to play Hazel O'Connor and makes my New Wave Fizz box explode in pleasure.

KNOW WHAT!? TOMORROW I WATCH THE NEW WAVE MOVIE BROKEN GLASS! It must be New Wave cos Vernon Kay off the telly said it on this show thing he did with Hazel performing.

New Wave overdose! WOOOOO!

Kingsc23 · 12-07-2015, 05:51 PM

Nobody outside of Jamaica makes Reggae. Because they stole the sound doesn't mean that's what it was. Men At Work also used that reggae sound, but it was still New Wave.

**Frownland** · 12-07-2015, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingsc23

Nobody outside of Jamaica makes Reggae. Because they stole the sound doesn't mean that's what it was. Men At Work also used that reggae sound, but it was still New Wave.

Is this an elitist opinion or is reggae the music genre equivalent of the champagne/sparkling wine thing?

Akyho · 12-07-2015, 06:19 PM

Men at Work do use a reggae beat in the song "It's a Mistake." yet they do dilute with it with a synth reggae beat, which is a pretty New Wave thing to do. The police JUST do a reggae beat.

Men at works- Catch a Star is bare bones track which is largely the reggae beat.

However the vast majority of their songs are not at all reggae in any fashion with those two being well...flat out reggae one with an synth twist and one that is just reggae.

The Police, Message in a Bottle, Roxanne, Dont Stand So close to me, Can't Stand Losing you, The Beds Too Big with You and the most reggae track is Walking on the Moon Sting is mother fing Skanking away in all of the music videos as-well.

I could go on, while the Police did not always do Reggae.....they did ALOT of flat out 100% reggae tracks. None of this "Stole the sound" when you "steal the sound." you take it and call it something else and say its yours, which is often the argument with Elvis Presley.

I am still strongly calling The Police Reggae Rock or at least had a strong long Reggae Rock period as the only way to define those songs is Ska...that aint Ska despite Ska being a cousin of Reggae with the same base beat and more so 2 tone Ska which is mainly UK Whites and other races mixing to make it.

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Originally Posted by Kingsc23

Nobody outside of Jamaica makes Reggae.

Oh also I can flat out tell you wrong.

Kingsc23 · 12-07-2015, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Is this an elitist opinion or is reggae the music genre equivalent of the champagne/sparkling wine thing?

Is growing up poor Jamaica elitist? That sucks if it is.

Akyho · 12-07-2015, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingsc23

Nobody outside of Jamaica makes Reggae.

Oh also I can flat out tell you wrong.

A white guy from Kent England. I loath to post none New Wave/Post punk in this thread.

and pssstt..... Tide is High by Blondie is a Reggaa track and also a cover.

Pssst.... Rapture was a hip hop rap song.

I loath to post none New Wave/Post punk in this thread.
So to balance it out.... New New Wave The Attery Squash will play me out.

**Frownland** · 12-07-2015, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingsc23

Is growing up poor Jamaica elitist? That sucks if it is.

I suppose it depends on what context that phenomena is referenced in. Let's start with yo: what the hell are you talking about?

12-07-2015, 03:05 PM	#62 (permalink)
Black Francis Out of Place Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in an abstract house Posts: 4,111	I get that, but given the context and your stand on the argument you were having with Akyho, it seemed you basically were saying "I listen to alot of of music so i know what is what even if other ppl don't get it" and given that all your references to new wave artist have been mainstream ones that any casual listener knows im inclined to think you actually don't know much about new wave much less what is or isn't new wave.. You can prove me wrong though, post some new wave songs, let's see what you got. __________________ "Hey Kids you got to meet the MIGHTY PIXIES!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRbCtIgW3A Last edited by Black Francis; 12-07-2015 at 03:56 PM.

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Kingsc23 Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 52	Nobody outside of Jamaica makes Reggae. Because they stole the sound doesn't mean that's what it was. Men At Work also used that reggae sound, but it was still New Wave.